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On 7/2/2024 7:54 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Another little old lady comment from Krygowski. To shift 
>>> downtube
>>> shifters you have to pause pedalling.
> 
> Oh fer fucks sake....yeah, that's great advice....'pause 
> pedaling while shifting'....wow, what a fucking moron.
> 
>>> This causes the man behind you with
>>> brifters to run into the back of you as you suddenly slow 
>>> down. 
> 
> Not if they're paying attention, and it wouldn't have been 
> any different if the guy behind had downtube shifters.
> 
>>> They did
>>> have 10 speed downtube shifters. Since they were lighter 
>>> than brifters
>>> why did not some pro's with the emphasis on lighter and 
>>> lighter weight use them?
> 
> I don't recall any manufacturer marketing 10sp index down 
> tube shifters. I'll concede I may just never have noticed, 
> but the question about they the pro's would never use them 
> is a really stupid strawman argument.
> 
> First off, dipshit, You don't have to change cadence/power 
> any more/less with down tube shifters than with integrated 
> shifters.
> 
> Second, It's the dynamic of being forced to sit that affects 
> cadence and power. With downtube shifters you pretty much 
> are forced to sit to shift. The reason pros don't use 
> downtube shifters is that the ability to respond quickly and 
> shift while out of the saddle trumps the weight savings. 
> FWIW - some people who compete in hill climb events (e.g. 
> https://bumpshillclimb.com/) do often still use downtube 
> shifters for the weight savings. Many riders also use a 
> single chain ring and a single brake (UCI rules don't apply 
> to those races).
> 
>>> Day after day you have not added one thing to the group 
>>> except stupid
>>> statement after stupid statement.
> 
> oh, you mean like " To shift downtube shifters you have to 
> pause pedalling." ? Oh, wait, that was you.
> 
>>> Jobst's bike was 66 cm and made from 1" rather low grade 
>>> steel compared
>>> to what is available today.
> 
> You have no fucking clue what Jobst rode. A rider of his 
> caliber was most likely riding at least something along the 
> lines of Columbus SL, which in the hands of a competent 
> builder is a stiff as any steel frame made today. There have 
> been numerous discussions in this forum about blind tests of 
> steel bikes built with different grades of tubing where the 
> winner was more often than not the lower grade tubing.
> 
>>> It was unbelievably flexy and with old
>>> downtube shifters and I think it a miracle that he could 
>>> keep it upright
>>> when going around turns it would start flexing the frame 
>>> and wheels (36
>>> spoke) and he would have to counter steer it to keep it 
>>> going in the
>>> direction he wanted it to go.
> 
> Unless you rode it - which we know you never did - you have 
> no fucking clue how flexy it was or what it took to control 
> it. FFS kunich, Day after day you have not added one thing 
> to the group except stupid statement after stupid statement.
> 
> Tell us again how your shifting improved after you got 
> special campagnolo non-stretch shifter cables?
> 
>>> But you have never had experiences like that. Not that 
>>> that is a negative
>>> - riding within your pesonal and bike selection's 
>>> capabilities - but why
>>> do you pretend to give advice on these subjects?
> 
> oh, you mean like " To shift downtube shifters you have to 
> pause pedalling." ? Oh, wait, that was you.
> 
> 
> 

Campagnolo and Shimano offered bar end Ten shifters which 
can be mounted on DT shift bosses. We've installed a handful 
of each (vs hundreds of Ergo/STi). An outlier format but not 
zero.
-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971