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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp Subject: Re: Why don't people like lisp? Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 23:59:36 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 15 Message-ID: <v62497$1rh22$1@dont-email.me> References: <v5nbe0$3he95$1@dont-email.me> <v5nsmf$3nsv3$1@dont-email.me> <v5nu23$3obdr$1@dont-email.me> <87msmzjqwi.fsf@nightsong.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2024 01:59:36 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cf883433ea21f3408a2b17a5cac6794f"; logging-data="1950786"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/IUD43ZGNGtxJtFk4RTuy7" User-Agent: Pan/0.158 (Avdiivka; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:bJP7lgtwNHA86dq1gJspspQm1W0= Bytes: 1640 On Tue, 02 Jul 2024 16:49:33 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> writes: > >> In Common Lisp, symbolic constants were defined for the IEEE plus and >> minus infinities. > > That's pretty horrendous either way (-99999 or -INF) . Better to return > an empty list in the event that that the input is empty. If a function like “max” or “min” is defined to return a number, then it makes sense that the maximum of an empty list should be -∞, and the minimum should be +∞. Being numbers, they can be compared with other numbers in the usual way, and a lot of special cases no longer become special.