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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: 197 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HHH
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 20:42:30 -0500
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On 7/2/2024 8:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 7/2/24 9:28 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 7/2/2024 8:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>
>>> Note, a lot of these proofs are about a system and a meta-system 
>>> based on it, and the meta-system has been carefully constructed so 
>>> that Truths in the meta-system, that don't refernce things just in 
>>> the meta system, ARE true in the original system.
>>>
>>
>> No that is merely a false assumption.
>> Tarski tries to get away with this exact same thing
>> and his proof is 100,000-fold easier to understand.
> 
> Nope, you just don't understand what Tarski is saying,
> 
>>
>> https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_247_248.pdf
>> https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_275_276.pdf
>>
>> To the best of my current knowledge it can be
>> accurately summed up as this:
>>
>> This sentence is not true: "This sentence is not true"
> 
> Nope.
> 
>>
>> The outer sentence in his meta-theory is true because
>> the inner sentence in his theory is not a truth-bearer.
>>
>> I have never encountered any logician that pays any heed
>> what-so-ever to the notion of truth-bearer or truth-maker.
>>
>> It is as if they take their incorrect foundations of logic
>> as inherently infallible making no attempt what-so-ever to
>> double check this false assumption.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> The fact that you need to try to "reduce" statements, and get the 
> meaning wrong, just shows you lack the necessary prerequisites to 
> understand the logic.
> 

It is as simple as this with Gödelization and diagonalization
if is 100% impossible to see the inference steps thus making
analysis of these steps impossible.

The Tarski proof directly provides the detailed inference steps.
So it is not that I do under understand the Gödel proof it is that
this proof is opaque completely hiding all of the important details.

> So, where is that Diagonalization proof you said you had.
> 

I think that Diagonalization is nonsense yet it is the basis that
everyone else uses. No one else finds that there is an infinite
sequence of steps in PA that does not count as a proof because
it is not finite. There simply are no steps in PA so they go to MM.

> Until you provide it, or admit you lied about it, I won't help you with 
> your other misunderstandings.

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