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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:55:12 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: <v62i31$21b7a$1@dont-email.me> References: <v5vkun$1b0k9$1@dont-email.me> <v60dci$1ib5p$1@dont-email.me> <v60red$1kr1q$2@dont-email.me> <v61hn7$1oec9$1@dont-email.me> <v61ipa$1og2o$2@dont-email.me> <v61jod$1oec9$2@dont-email.me> <v61leu$1p1uo$1@dont-email.me> <dd109397687b2f8e74c3e1e3d826772db8b65e40@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2024 05:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="29a678b7ecb7074967021c8dcb9f1179"; logging-data="2141418"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19rLIgMGIjW6VbT0vR0ZNKQ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:iDgxCVBDiMmSuo6Mkm8I/vUYCG0= In-Reply-To: <dd109397687b2f8e74c3e1e3d826772db8b65e40@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3223 On 7/2/2024 10:50 PM, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 02 Jul 2024 14:46:38 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/2/2024 2:17 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:00 schreef olcott: >>>> On 7/2/2024 1:42 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 14:22 schreef olcott: >>>>>> On 7/2/2024 3:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 03:25 schreef olcott: > >>>>>>>> Every C programmer that knows what an x86 emulator is knows that >>>>>>>> when HHH emulates the machine language of Infinite_Loop, >>>>>>>> Infinite_Recursion, and DDD that it must abort these emulations so >>>>>>>> that itself can terminate normally. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whether or not it *must* abort is not very relevant. >>>>>> >>>>>> This <is> the problem that I am willing to discuss. >>>>>> I am unwilling to discuss any other problem. >>>>>> This does meet the Sipser approved criteria. > >>>>> Repeating the same thing that has already been proved to be >>>>> irrelevant does not bring the discussion any further. >>>>> Sipser is not relevant, because that is about a correct simulation. >>>>> Your simulation is not correct. >>>>> >>>> If you disagree with this you are either dishonest or clueless I no >>>> longer care which one. > >>>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an emulated HHH(DDD) to >>>> repeat the process until aborted. >>> >>> HHH repeats the process twice and aborts too soon. >> >> You are freaking thinking too damn narrow minded. >> DDD is correctly emulated by any HHH that can exist which calls this >> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted (which may be >> never). > Whatever HHH does, it does not run forever but aborts. > HHH halts on input DDD. void DDD() { HHH(DDD); } DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer