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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be
 willfully ignorant
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 11:11:13 -0500
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On 7/3/2024 11:05 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 03.jul.2024 om 17:53 schreef olcott:
>> On 7/3/2024 10:44 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 15:22 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 7/3/2024 3:33 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 05:07 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 9:35 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 10:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 8:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 9:32 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 8:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 9:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Sipser probably does understand the x86 language.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shared-memory implementation of the Karp-Sipser
>>>>>>>>>>>> kernelization process
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://inria.hal.science/hal-03404798/file/hipc2021.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And the x86 language says the same thing,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> YOU are just a liar, as proved by the fact that you can not 
>>>>>>>>>>> give the Diagonalization proof you claimed you had.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, you are just too stupid to understand.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You continue to assume that you can simply disagree
>>>>>>>>>> with the x86 language. My memory was refreshed that
>>>>>>>>>> called you stupid would be a sin according to Christ.
>>>>>>>>>> I really want to do the best I can to repent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I am NOT disagreeing with the x86 language.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you point out what fact of it I am disagreing about it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You keep trying to get away with saying that the simulation is
>>>>>>>> incorrect when the semantics of the x86 language conclusively
>>>>>>>> proves that it is correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, and x86n emulation is only fully correct if it continues to 
>>>>>>> the final end. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> void Infinite_Loop()
>>>>>> {
>>>>>>    HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you say such ridiculously stupid things that you are are 
>>>>>> false?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your Infinite_Loop does not apply. For a two cycle recursive 
>>>>> simulation
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This says nothing about two cycles nitwit.
>>>>
>>>> _DDD()
>>>> [00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
>>>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp
>>>> [00002183] c3               ret
>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>
>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an
>>>> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You told us that HHH aborts its simulation after two cycles. 
>>
>> The above HHH refers to every pure function that correctly
>> emulates one of more steps of DDD.
>>
> 
> As long as there are a finite number of steps, there is no infinite 
> recursion. The problem remains that HHH cannot simulate itself correctly.


void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
}

Likewise infinite loops are not infinite loops thus
contradicting the law of identity.

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