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From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
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Subject: Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 19:58:18 +0200
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Op 03.jul.2024 om 18:09 schreef olcott:
> On 7/3/2024 11:04 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 17:51 schreef olcott:
>>> On 7/3/2024 10:40 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 16:29 schreef olcott:
>>>>> On 7/3/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 08:27:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>> On 7/3/2024 6:44 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 11:43 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 10:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 11:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 9:35 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 10:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 8:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 9:32 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 8:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 9:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU are just a liar, as proved by the fact that you can not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give the Diagonalization proof you claimed you had.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I am NOT disagreeing with the x86 language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you point out what fact of it I am disagreing about it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, and x86n emulation is only fully correct if it 
>>>>>>>>>>>> continues to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the final end.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you say such ridiculously stupid things that you are are
>>>>>>>>>>> false?
>>>>>>>>>> And the only CORRECT EMULATION of that program is to 
>>>>>>>>>> infiniately loop
>>>>>>>>>> in the emulation.
>>>>>>>>> Not for a freaking termination analyzer nitwit.
>>>>>>>> Why do they get to lie?
>>>>>> Open question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nothing says that you can't make a halt decider work with partial
>>>>>>>>>> emulation for SOME inputs. But the halt Decider just isn't 
>>>>>>>>>> itself a
>>>>>>>>>> fully correct emulator.
>>>>>>>>> You keep stupidly saying that less than an infinite emulation 
>>>>>>>>> is an
>>>>>>>>> incorrect emulation. Why do you keep stupidly doing that?
>>>>>>>> Because it is. Partial emulations only show partial truth, and 
>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>> the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>>>>>>>> BEHAVIOR needs the FULL description of what happens.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you keep lying about this?
>>>>>>> As soon as HHH has seen a repeating state it has seen enough.
>>>>>> If the state is actually the same. But the simulated HHH sets a flag
>>>>>> or something to keep track if it is itself simulating a 
>>>>>> repetition. <-
>>>>>> Which it therefore isn’t.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>
>>>>> *This is the repeating state*
>>>>
>>>> But not an *infinitely* repeating state. 
>>>
>>> The criteria that I spent two years writing and the best selling
>>> author of theory of computation textbooks agrees with says nothing
>>> about *infinitely* repeating state.
>>
>> Irrelevant, because that is about a correct simulation. Your 
>> simulation is incorrect, so Sipser does not apply here.
> 
> OK you are a liar then.
> 

Irrelevant ad hominem attack ignored. It shows that your argumentation 
failed. I proved that HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate itself.
You are unable to show an error in the proof.

-- 
Paradoxes in the relation between Creator and creature.
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