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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 13:23:18 -0500
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On 7/3/2024 1:20 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:04 schreef olcott:
>> On 7/3/2024 1:01 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 18:24 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 7/3/2024 11:18 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/3/2024 11:04 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 17:51 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2024 10:40 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [ .... ]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *This is the repeating state*
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But not an *infinitely* repeating state.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The criteria that I spent two years writing and the best selling
>>>>>>>> author of theory of computation textbooks agrees with says nothing
>>>>>>>> about *infinitely* repeating state.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Irrelevant, because that is about a correct simulation. Your 
>>>>>>> simulation
>>>>>>> is incorrect, so Sipser does not apply here.
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK you are a liar then.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think so.  There is only one liar on this newsgroup, and 
>>>>> it's not
>>>>> Fred.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *A liar is anyone that denies this*
>>>
>>> Another display of lack of correct reasoning.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> _DDD()
>>>> [00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
>>>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp
>>>> [00002183] c3               ret
>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>
>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an emulated HHH(DDD) to 
>>>> repeat this process until the emulated DDD is aborted.
>>>
>>> I proved that HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate itself.
>>
>> Liar
>> https://liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf
> 
> Your trace confirms my proof.
> The full trace shows that the simulation of the simulator is unable to 
> reach the simulation of the 'ret' of the simulated simulator.

I was too hasty when I called you a Liar on this.

> This is further evidence that the ad hominem attack is only used to hide 
> a lack of argumentation.
> 
>>
>>> You are unable to show the error in the proof.
>>> If you then repeat 'correctly', who is ignoring the truth?
>>>
>>

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