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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 21:15:36 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <v6480p$29pag$7@dont-email.me> References: <v5pbjf$55h$1@dont-email.me> <v5r5q9$ekvf$1@dont-email.me> <v5s40h$jvgt$1@dont-email.me> <v5tgvj$utcb$1@dont-email.me> <v5u8c9$12udb$1@dont-email.me> <v608ft$1hqo6$1@dont-email.me> <v61hoo$1og2o$1@dont-email.me> <v61k27$1oec9$3@dont-email.me> <v61li2$1p1uo$2@dont-email.me> <v63205$23ohl$1@dont-email.me> <v63j94$26loi$4@dont-email.me> <v63sh7$28goi$3@dont-email.me> <v63soh$28dpi$4@dont-email.me> <v64327$29pc5$1@dont-email.me> <v643gd$29t4h$1@dont-email.me> <v6452f$29pag$2@dont-email.me> <v645of$29t4h$6@dont-email.me> <v6469t$29pag$5@dont-email.me> <v6473e$2agfo$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2024 21:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6cedb142f34e03a5852de86ea322d5ac"; logging-data="2418000"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/0IG0j62UGFdKf0XV5MQOu" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:jNfqfDCaeImnTnA5XtRJhZCllco= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <v6473e$2agfo$2@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3996 Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:59 schreef olcott: > On 7/3/2024 1:46 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:37 schreef olcott: >>> On 7/3/2024 1:25 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 19:58 schreef olcott: >>>>> On 7/3/2024 12:51 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 18:03 schreef olcott: >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _DDD() >>>>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>>> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>>>> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >>>>> [00002183] c3 ret >>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>>> >>>>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an emulated HHH(DDD) >>>>>>> to repeat this process an endless number of times until aborted >>>>>>> or out-of-memory error. >>>>>> Anyone knowing the x86 language knows that a program cannot be >>>>>> programmed to do two different things >>>>>> It cannot do both run out of memory *and* abort. >>>>> >>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any element of the infinite >>>>> set of every pure function HHH cannot possibly reach >>>>> its own ret instruction and halt. >>>> >>>> Exactly! Well done! This proves that HHH cannot possibly correctly >>>> simulate itself. If it aborts, it does so one cycle too soon. >>>> >>> >>> My system of reasoning could be used to make a chatbot >>> that would make all the propagandists look foolish even >>> to themselves. The alternative is the destruction of the >>> planet to earn a couple of more bucks. >>> >>> This is not some little game that can be played for >>> trollish sadism. It has consequences. >>> >> >> I appreciate this motivation, but it does not help to make the >> simulation correct. Better try something that can help, instead of >> spoiling your time with something that does not work as you expected. > > That you lie about how it works does not mean it doesn't work. > You are too soon with the words lie and liar. It does not contribute to a honest discussion. That you hope that it works, does not mean that it works, even when your hope is based on an appreciated motivation.