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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Orthodox to be drafted into the Zionist army by force.
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 11:25:22 -0000 (UTC)
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title: 100,000 Jews protest forced draft into the IDF
source: Neturei Karta
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4c73Ofj4JQ

It seems possible that while global propaganda turns against the Jewish
people in general using Gaza as a tool, and this hatred becomes the
feeding ground of a second holocaust which is the next round of punishment
from heaven against the Jewish people for not listening to the Torah (
which includes to a degree the (Ultra)Orthodox, who have also opposed
the Torah with their fraudulent _prosbul_ ), that as the Arab / Iranian
hordes rampage through Eretz Yisroel with the intention of murdering
every single "Jew" that they find, that the above images and a long
period of strong opposition which may now follow, are so strong in the
minds of these people, that they will _pass over_ the (Ultra)Orthodox,
and not kill you. A similar thing could happen in the west, where this
anti-Jewish propaganda using Gaza also seems to flourish.

Everyone then gets attacked and perhaps wiped out, but the (Ultra)Orthodox
have _set themselves apart,_ and this might eventually save (some of)
their lives, even though the top criminals in the ruling class probably
want to kill nobody else more than the (Ulrta)Orthodox, because the ruling
criminals want to get rid of the Torah (for obvious reasons), which is not
in the hands of the seculars who are basically the same as gentiles and
do not pose much of a threat to these ruling criminals. I don't think the
ruling classes want a form of protection against this anti Jewish hatred
created out of Gaza as a tool, to work for the (Ultra)Orthodox. However,
with enough opposition and publication, it can have some effect to break
through this hatred system. Naturally from a Jewish perspective this is
no issue, because Hashem is King over all.

This whole situation then _could_ become a set up for the final
Redemption, because most Jewish people are destroyed (possibly 95% will
die, if 7 times a third must die), but it is especially the seculars
and the not strong in the Torah who get destroyed, thanks to their
attachment to the Zionist rebel state, which is the principle object of
the hatred. You could say Zionists try to be bad, so that the guilt clings
to all Jewish people, who can then be hated and destroyed, and make ruling
the world for the top criminals and psychos easier. It would be similar as
to when Israel was in the desert, and it was the disloyal ones who died,
while the loyalists where protected. When all the bloodshed is over,
those of the (Ultra)Orthodox who survived might come out and discover: we
are more or less the only Jews left, or at least our share in the Jewish
Nation became much greater, and hence more influential. Somewhere along
these lines, perhaps the Redemption will break out: not a mob dancing
for some new King or idol (which is what so many want), but the people
turning to the truth and to each other, regretting their mistakes and
the misery which they created for themselves (such as the prosbul and
heter iska, you broke the Torah yourselves), now choosing a way forward.

What seems risky, perhaps deadly, to oppose the Zionist rebel State,
may eventually become that which protects you, while those who assault
you now may become the ones hunted down like rabbits and cut down by
the thousands, not to rise again. The Zionists / criminal overlords
of the world might "compute" the same though, and prevent this problem
from occuring by already killing you by themselves, if they can. ([I am]¹
just trying to be rational, and compute the Torah, that is all.) This
move by the Zionists could actually be an attempt already to kill you all,
because once you are forced at the front, it is easy to accidentally kill
you. It makes sense that this is their real goal. They have probably zero
confidence in your effectiveness of soldiers anyway, because morale is
everything, and you are not motivated to kill for them. They will just
push you into certain kill zones, and if you retreat they might kill you
themselves ? I guess this means, that allowing yourselves to be forced,
could be a death sentence once they have you, which in turn means, you
may have to fight to the death against the Zionist enlistment program,
because otherwise it is death anyway ?

[Usenet]
1. Added clarity, I don't dare touch a posting on youtube anymore once
   it has been posted, since it might trigger their dishonorable
   sencorship algorithms.
2. Odd timing from my perspective at least, because I gave up on
   reaching the Jewish people, and even some (seeming) gentiles where
   positive about the program (on reddit) and so I thought I might focus
   on them and forget about reaching Jewish people until after the next
   round of punishment, and now this just a few days after. I don't
   think people should underestimate how severe war is, and what it
   means to be send to the front. It is a killing zone. It is not a joke
   to be send to assault some difficult position (Orthodox be send to
   assault some Palestinian/Hamas strong point; although I haven't
   followed the story of the front line for a while), or even worse to
   be send into some unknown enemy tunnels, and have behind you a group
   of hardened anti Orthodox people or even criminals, who might enjoy
   the order "shoot everyone who retreats". Who is going to believe the
   story of the Orthodox people who had been given weapons, refused to
   fight and kill, and then where shot in the back, or who where
   executed on the front line because they refused orders, or who where
   charged with walking over to the Hamas enemy (which they might well
   do, given their political leanings), and then be killed by the
   Zionist State for this perceived treason, or even get killed by Hamas
   because the Hamas people are probably not any better either. Nations
   don't even hesitate to kill their own people for no reason in
   impossible to keep front lines, while these front lines even exist in
   the first place for little other reason than to "keep the pot
   boiling", keep people busy, make them not look at the financial
   corruption in the world, and so on. Also keep in mind, that if
   Orthodox where send to the front, that if the IDF decides to murder
   them there, that those who have done the murdering are the ones who
   will be telling the story (from their side). Military secrecy,
   discipline and the rest of it, and by the time we more or less know a
   little bit about what really happened, it might be decades into the
   future. Killing 100 000 persons or more is a big job, though.

   I have suggested a program for you, by which you can defend
   yourselves or rather: defend others, defend their rights. You can
   still start up on this program now. For those who think they do not
   need to fight because Hashem fights for you: do you keep the Torah
   like Moshe Rabbeinu, and didn't King David have to fight for it, and
   train for war ? Didn't the Maccabbees have to fight ? Who are you to
   not have to show the will, how grandiose are you that you don't have
   to fight, and isn't it so that if you give the example of not
   standing up when others should have even if not you, then others who
   may have needed to fight may follow your example, and end up killed
   because of it. Isn't it so that even Moshe Rabbeinu went to the front
   in the war against Amalek. What happened at the story remembered on
   Chanukah, didn't the Jewish people have to fight there ? Who are you
   to be the one too amazing to not have to fight for it, or are you
   just a fool deluding yourself, leaving the hard and dangerous work
   for someone else, pretending to be too good for it.

   If it is true that being detained by the IDF for sending to the
   front, even though it is clear you will very probably choose death
   over becoming a murderer and shooting at all or doing anything at the
   front, and that you will likely be murdered by the IDF for it either
   directly or by creating a situation where you will end up dead
   somehow, then this may be a reason good enough to stand and refuse
   and prevent the Zionist State from detaining people in this way
   (which becomes a similar thing to the Nazis detaining Jewish people
   for "happy summer camp" read slavery and death camp), if necessary
   by force. Force as in, any force necessary, including armed and
   deadly force.

   Get trained and organized, before it is too late ? It's up to you
   of course (which is how this program works). If you had listened to
   me, by the way, you would at this point have had more than 10 years
   preparations behind you. Even if you may not have wanted to do a lot
   of physical training, at least you may have been able to arm
   yourselves to a degree, and/or prepared channels for future armement
   for yourselves. You should have trained to a degree, though, and also
   studied essentials of warfare. It isn't ultimately about protecting
   yourself, but protecting someone else.

   Your Torah is relatively weak, thanks to things like your prosbul.
   You are still in exile for a reason, and that means you do not
   deserve the highest level of protection from heaven (if you want to
   make it religious). This is similar to above mentioned periods. They
   also had to fight, even during the Sjemot they had to fight Amalek,
   and they had to fight the people who lived inside what became Eretz
   Yisroel. They didn't fight by waving their Torah cross. They
   sharpened their swords and tried to cut down the bodies of the enemy
   until they where dead, ok ? Shot arrows with the intention to kill.
   It is what it is. Sometimes things go this far, and you have to deal
   with it the hard way.

   Morale is the main thing, though. You can probably make up for all
   the loss of training and preparation by being good people who want to
   be good, and having the necessary outrage against enemy evil. This is
   probably the greatest force in a war, the great motivator which makes
   everything else happen. Hence, don't loose any hope. It should be
   winnable, and since you also end up friendly with Muslems around this
   way, this adds a lot of potential strength, which the Zionists don't
   have. Right ?

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