Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe?
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:41:30 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 88
Message-ID: <v6659r$2oun1$3@dont-email.me>
References: <v5vkun$1b0k9$1@dont-email.me> <v60dci$1ib5p$1@dont-email.me>
 <v60red$1kr1q$2@dont-email.me> <v61hn7$1oec9$1@dont-email.me>
 <v61ipa$1og2o$2@dont-email.me> <v61jod$1oec9$2@dont-email.me>
 <v61leu$1p1uo$1@dont-email.me>
 <dd109397687b2f8e74c3e1e3d826772db8b65e40@i2pn2.org>
 <v62i31$21b7a$1@dont-email.me>
 <d593179ccad2eef1e84ab6eeddb0f255b2b386e5@i2pn2.org>
 <v63ml8$27f1a$2@dont-email.me>
 <1f93b46b7624427c02acebc57460bf5364a0bada@i2pn2.org>
 <v64r25$2e7d4$2@dont-email.me> <v65g7q$2lcik$1@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2024 14:41:31 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8ec8ab09a9c087279b96ae2505557d8c";
	logging-data="2915041"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18YCB8vNFTIxcctZaeyFdN5"
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:jlVGKx8Jq3/9XpHZ2EAB3/XKlUY=
Content-Language: en-US
In-Reply-To: <v65g7q$2lcik$1@dont-email.me>
Bytes: 4283

On 7/4/2024 1:42 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-07-04 00:40:37 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 7/3/2024 6:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 7/3/24 10:19 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/2024 9:11 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>> Am Tue, 02 Jul 2024 22:55:12 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 10:50 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Tue, 02 Jul 2024 14:46:38 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 2:17 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 1:42 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 14:22 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 3:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 03:25 schreef olcott:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HHH repeats the process twice and aborts too soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by any HHH that can exist which calls 
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted (which may be
>>>>>>>> never).
>>>>>>> Whatever HHH does, it does not run forever but aborts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> HHH halts on input DDD.
>>>>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt.
>>>>> WTF? It only calls HHH, which you just said halts.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An aborted simulation does not count as halting.
>>>
>>> And doesn't show non-halting either.
>>>
>>>> Reaching it own machine address 00002183 counts as halting.
>>>> DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly do that.
>>>
>>> But HHH doesn't DO a "Correct Simulation" that can show that, it only 
>>> does a PARTIAL simulation.
>>>
>>
>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>      stop running unless aborted then
>>
>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>
>> until H correctly determines
> 
> Does that ever happen?
> 

Knowledge of the C programming language proves that it happens
in these three cases.

void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
}

void Infinite_Recursion()
{
   Infinite_Recursion();
}

void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
}

int main()
{
   HHH(Infinite_Loop);
   HHH(Infinite_Recursion);
   HHH(DDD);
}

Every C programmer that knows what an x86 emulator is knows that when 
HHH emulates the machine language of Infinite_Loop, Infinite_Recursion, 
and DDD that it must abort these emulations so that itself can terminate 
normally.

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer