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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:46:15 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <v665in$2oun1$7@dont-email.me> References: <v5pbjf$55h$1@dont-email.me> <v5r5q9$ekvf$1@dont-email.me> <v5s40h$jvgt$1@dont-email.me> <v5tgvj$utcb$1@dont-email.me> <v5u8c9$12udb$1@dont-email.me> <v608ft$1hqo6$1@dont-email.me> <v61hoo$1og2o$1@dont-email.me> <v61k27$1oec9$3@dont-email.me> <v61li2$1p1uo$2@dont-email.me> <v63205$23ohl$1@dont-email.me> <v63j94$26loi$4@dont-email.me> <db9212dd66972657132755b66b6c473167119450@i2pn2.org> <v63o75$27nhv$2@dont-email.me> <6ca7c213b3ec5e20ae45c951ea48fbffcf5aae91@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2024 14:46:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8ec8ab09a9c087279b96ae2505557d8c"; logging-data="2915041"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+C4GnMAINe+nRFUXQ5+7p3" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:g3X/qJnBXUkyBS7CAMX8UUH2Bkg= In-Reply-To: <6ca7c213b3ec5e20ae45c951ea48fbffcf5aae91@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2978 On 7/4/2024 5:15 AM, joes wrote: > Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 09:45:57 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/3/2024 9:39 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 08:21:40 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 7/3/2024 3:26 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:48 schreef olcott: >>>>>> On 7/2/2024 2:22 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 20:43 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 1:59 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2024-07-01 12:44:57 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2024 1:05 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-30 17:18:09 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Richard just said that he affirms that when DDD correctly >>>>>>>>>>>> simulated by HHH calls HHH(DDD) that this call returns even >>>>>>>>>>>> though the semantics of the x86 language disagrees. >>> Which semantics? > I repeat. > >>>> DDD correctly emulated by HHH calls an emulated HHH(DDD) that emulates >>>> DDD that calls an emulated HHH(DDD) >>>> in a cycle that cannot end unless aborted. >>> But HHH aborts, so the cycle does end. >> As long as it is impossible for DDD correctly emulated by HHH to reach >> its own ret instruction then DDD never halts even when its stops running >> because its emulation was aborted. > HHH halts by definition. Why can’t DDD? > By definition DDD calls it simulator. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer