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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 08:43:22 -0500
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On 7/4/2024 8:38 AM, joes wrote:
> Am Thu, 04 Jul 2024 07:50:51 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>> On 7/4/2024 5:38 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 11:21:01 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 7/3/2024 11:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 17:55 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 7/3/2024 10:52 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 15:24 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2024 3:42 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 05:55 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 10:50 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 02 Jul 2024 14:46:38 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 2:17 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 1:42 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 14:22 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 3:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 03:25 schreef olcott:
> 
>>>>>>> Similarly, if you think that HHH can simulate itself correctly, you
>>>>>>> are wrong.
>>>>>>>           int H(ptr p, ptr i);
>>>>>>>           int main()
>>>>>>>           {
>>>>>>>             return H(main, 0);
>>>>>>>           }
>>>>>>> You showed that H returns, but that the simulation thinks it does
>>>>>>> not return.
>>>>>>> DDD is making it unnecessarily complex, but has the same problem.
>>>>>> main correctly emulated by H never stops running unless aborted.
>>>>> HHH is unable to simulate main correctly, because it unable to
>>>>> simulate itself correctly.
>>>>> The 'unless phrase' is misleading, because we are talking about a H
>>>>> *does* abort. Dreaming of one that does not abort, is irrelevant.
>>>>> The correctly simulated main would stop, because the simulated H is
>>>>> only one cycle away from its return when its simulation is aborted.
>>>> HHH is required to report on what would happen if HHH did not abort.
>>>> HHH is forbidden from getting its own self stuck in infinite
>>>> execution. Emulated instances of itself is not its actual self.
>>> No. HHH is simulating itself, not a different function that does not
>>> abort. All calls are instances of the same code with the same
>>> parameters. They all do the same thing: aborting.
>> HHH always meets its abort criteria first because it always sees at
>> least one fully execution trace of DDD before the next inner one. It is
>> stupidly incorrect to think that HHH can wait on the next one.
> Stupidly incorrect is thinking that the next one wouldn’t abort just
> because that part isn’t simulated.
> 

Unless the outermost one aborts none of them do.

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