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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Ben fails to understand Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 10:40:55 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <v66fq7$2q8ag$2@dont-email.me> References: <tic5tr$25uem$6@dont-email.me> <8735bpq5jh.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v66bcq$2plrr$1@dont-email.me> <667d8d81cab22f1619657d4db28f52ffd5d3c2cc@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2024 17:40:56 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8ec8ab09a9c087279b96ae2505557d8c"; logging-data="2957648"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18fQXuNAyEfnE02JP02vDyz" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FW82i975Kpwzv3sbJyOSQOT8h8U= In-Reply-To: <667d8d81cab22f1619657d4db28f52ffd5d3c2cc@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2661 On 7/4/2024 10:14 AM, joes wrote: > Am Thu, 04 Jul 2024 09:25:29 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >>> Python <python@invalid.org> writes: >>>> [comment: as D halts, the simulation is faulty, Pr. Sipser has been >>>> fooled by Olcott shell game confusion "pretending to simulate" and >>>> "correctly simulate"] >>> I don't think that is the shell game. PO really /has/ an H (it's >>> trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines that P(P) >>> *would* never stop running *unless* aborted. He knows and accepts that >>> P(P) actually does stop. The wrong answer is justified by what would >>> happen if H (and hence a different P) where not what they actually are. > You seem to like this quote. Do you agree with it? > <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running unless aborted then H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> The first half of the quote agrees that the Sisper approved criteria has been met, thus unless professor Sipser is wrong H is correct to reject D as non-halting. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer