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From: RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: EV Charging Stations Stripped of Copper Cables
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On 4 Jul 2024 at 17:11:21 BST, Bill Sloman wrote:

> On 4/07/2024 9:20 pm, RJH wrote:
>> On 4 Jul 2024 at 11:38:35 BST, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> 
>>>> Not for long. The UK Government relies on the large amounts of fuel tax
>>>> from petrol and diesel.  As EVs become more popular this tax revenue
>>>> diminishes. The Government will soon claw it back in one way or another.
>>>> Road fund tax or pay by the mile toll charges etc.
>>> 
>>> Think about it - though you wouldn't be peddling this fatuous line if
>>> you could think. I'm already paying road tolls to use Sydney's freeways.
>>> 
>> 
>> Not, I think, to the tune of the >2% of total government revenue fuel tax
>> raises. About £1000/year per household.
>> 
>>> Electricity isn't susceptible to separate taxation in the way that
>>> internal combustion engine fuel is, and the price advantage is in the
>>> better efficiency of the energy delivery to the car wheels.
>> 
>> It's difficult to tell when the government will be kicked into action. At the
>> moment EVs are less than 5%. When this starts to increase, and LGVs and HGVs
>> become electric, something will have to give. The grid probably :-)
> 
> Don't be silly.

Well, there was a smiley at the end.

> Powering all road vehicles through the grid would add
> about 30% to the total load on the generating system, which would be a
> problem if it happened overnight.
> 
> https://ourworldindata.org/energy-production-consumption
> 

Interesting (to me) that the UK's consumption has gone *down* about 20% over
the past 50 years. Note I'm talking about the UK - the figures from that link
suggest that consumption and (not surprisingly) generation have been going
down for quite a while. Meanwhile, China has trebled, and India has doubled,
in the past 20 years.

> shows the annual rate of growth of generating capacity has been up to 6%
> per year (though it been has closer to 2.5% per year recently), and if
> we spread that 30% rise over six year it is 4.5% per year, which is
> clearly practicable.
> Cars and trucks don't get replaced every year. We aren't all going to go
> over to electric vehicles fast enough to create any kind of insoluble
> problem.

It's not just vehicles, though. Half of the UK's energy consumption is used
for heating, and most of that is gas. A lot of pressure (currently £7500 per
household) to move over to heat pumps. More pressure on the grid.

Anyway, my point is that something will have to replace the duty currently
collected on petrol once EVs take hold. And it seems likely that'll be owners
of electric vehicles.

-- 
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK