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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Ancient tetrapod predator Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:14:19 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 58 Sender: news%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v673ba$2tk7t$1@dont-email.me> References: <v64hts$2c71d$3@dont-email.me> <E6-cnfv2qZWQShj7nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <v64tu2$2ej0p$1@dont-email.me> <IqydnauvOc3ZMhv7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <v66uf6$2t310$2@dont-email.me> <SumdnXusYqvYmxr7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> Reply-To: {$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="88534"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Cw3yDoK8W+XPDNyEQlD6+XkdvDs= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id C41E122987A; Thu, 04 Jul 2024 17:14:21 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914CD229878 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Thu, 04 Jul 2024 17:14:19 -0400 (EDT) id 863125DC6A; Thu, 4 Jul 2024 21:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65F165DC4B for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 4 Jul 2024 21:14:22 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7AD65F731 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 4 Jul 2024 21:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/E7AD65F731; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=meden.demon.co.uk id 77B6DDC01A9; Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:14:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2024 23:14:19 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-GB X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1+o9mzkP277mVOHpgeWCOakZdmzq5X/EWQNQ2oOe1seNjejJMZ4HLKib+0An33+u7iDDVD1YUwhsw== In-Reply-To: <SumdnXusYqvYmxr7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5112 On 04/07/2024 21:29, John Harshman wrote: > On 7/4/24 12:51 PM, RonO wrote: >> On 7/4/2024 9:18 AM, John Harshman wrote: >>> On 7/3/24 6:29 PM, RonO wrote: >>>> On 7/3/2024 5:56 PM, John Harshman wrote: >>>>> On 7/3/24 3:04 PM, RonO wrote: >>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/fossils-show-huge-salamanderlike-predator-sharp-fangs-existed-111645297 >>>>>> >>>>>> The giant salamander with fangs may have lived 280 million years >>>>>> ago, and they claim that Namibia was in a much colder region of >>>>>> the world at that time (they claim glacial region). >>>>>> >>>>>> Click on the link in the fourth paragraph and you can get a copy >>>>>> of the Nature article to read, otherwise the article is pay walled. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron Okimoto >>>>>> >>>>> What do you mean by "they claim"? Are you trying to cast doubt on >>>>> the Permian glaciation? There's plenty of evidence for it. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Why would you think that I was casting doubt on their claims. >>> >>> That's more or less what "they claim" connotes. Perhaps you misspoke? >> >> Perhaps you misunderstood. They did make those claims in the paper. >> >>> >>>> The paper indicates that if the region of Pangea that is now Namibia >>>> was as cold as they think, then amphibians had adapted to colder >>>> climates after diversification during the Caboniferous. >>> >>> "As cold as they think" is hardly a matter of "if". That part of >>> Gondwana was near the south pole at the time, and there's all sorts >>> of evidence of a protracted series of ice ages. There were of course >>> interglacials, but there would still have been very long, cold >>> winters. Think Alaska. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Paleozoic_icehouse >>> >> >> You seem to want to misunderstand what I wrote. >> > > Don't really want to belabor the point, but "they claim" and "if...as > cold as they think" are just not appropriate for what are well-settled > scientific facts. If I said "They claim that whales are artiodactyls" or > "if the mid-Atlantic ridge is a spreading center as they think", what > would you make of that? > I sometimes use "report" when I'm not in a position to endorse something out of my own knowledge or understanding. I hope this doesn't have the negative implications of the use of "claim" in this context. -- alias Ernest Major