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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Ben thinks the professor Sipser is wrong Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 21:01:14 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <v67k5b$33ve0$1@dont-email.me> References: <tic5tr$25uem$6@dont-email.me> <8735bpq5jh.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v66o6i$2rv8q$3@dont-email.me> <8bbce1bb519f205ef865a07719bf35f68170ad61@i2pn2.org> <v66psp$2scuh$1@dont-email.me> <990598b3a90c559f7125530edef9c5a0ef2c7102@i2pn2.org> <v677vh$2u7lu$2@dont-email.me> <dbebddf487aebc1c848fc07abb0f7800e068f34e@i2pn2.org> <v67d2s$2v7vf$1@dont-email.me> <9d7ed80b2fc8e04050d413c3f922ce409d55f31c@i2pn2.org> <v67h9h$2vnls$1@dont-email.me> <6a841a071e812698de7f236c0acfa127b9e321c3@i2pn2.org> <v67ikj$2vtu0$1@dont-email.me> <b119fc7a4b5d0599a084a3af604b13ac9782ec11@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 04:01:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f325a973008a37eaa6ec545239278e3d"; logging-data="3276224"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX197WjB8N/dzLVDl6b+W5gFy" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:WPefWDC4wOqefzK0zI717ig+YUU= In-Reply-To: <b119fc7a4b5d0599a084a3af604b13ac9782ec11@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3133 On 7/4/2024 8:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 7/4/24 9:35 PM, olcott wrote: >> >> _DDD() >> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >> [00002183] c3 ret >> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >> >> *In other words you are denying the verified fact* >> That when DDD emulated by HHH according to the >> semantics of the x86 language calls HHH(DDD) that >> this call cannot possibly return. > > No, if HHH(DDD) returns, then by the semantics of the x86 language, and > the fact that DDD calls the exact same code sequence as the call from > main calls, the call to HHH will return, just after HHH stops its > emulation. > > And by the x86 language, the "behavior" doesn't stop just because the > HHH stopped emulating the bytes, because the x86 langugage the byte > specify doesn't know that will happen. > >> >> *By denying this verified fact you are affirming* >> That when DDD emulated by HHH according to the >> semantics of the x86 language calls HHH(DDD) that >> *THIS CALL CAN RETURN* > > Yes, just not in the emulation that HHH does. > OK liar I give up. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer