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On 7/5/2024 11:42 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wed Jul 3 17:03:13 2024 Radey Shouman  wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 7/3/2024 1:28 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/2/2024 5:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon Jul 1 21:57:40 2024 Frank Krygowski  wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/1/2024 1:12 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> As usual the obvious candidates without a shred of knowledge of
>>>>>>>> chemistry told you all that I didn't know what I was talking about
>>>>>>>> when I said that Silca was making a block that looked like
>>>>>>>> Chocolate that converted grease to wax.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have continued to be curious why people that know nothing would
>>>>>>>> say things about which they know nothing. Grease and wax asr ONE
>>>>>>>> chemical chain from being the same thing. Where the hell do you
>>>>>>>> get Candle Wax from - TALLOW - which is animal fat. The
>>>>>>>> lubricating grease on a new chain (SRAM no longer put this grease
>>>>>>>> on a chain) is petroleum based but the chemistry is the same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And what would bring the usual noisome candidates to call Silca
>>>>>>>> liars because I reported their product?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's difficult to tell who or what you're talking about, given your
>>>>>>> usual total lack of citations, quotations, etc. I suspect it's more of
>>>>>>> your fantasies or hallucinations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But to discuss a matter of fact: "Where the hell do you get Candle Wax
>>>>>>> from - TALLOW - which is animal fat" has been wrong for normal
>>>>>>> commercial candles for well over 100 years. See
>>>>>>> https://www.gregorylefever.com/pdfs/candle.pdf
>>>>>>> or https://candles.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people still make or value tallow candles. Those are mostly the
>>>>>>> sorts of people who weave their own wool to make their own clothes,
>>>>>>> raise their own chickens, and tell time using only sundials. Heck, they
>>>>>>> probably use downtube friction shifters!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should not be surprised that because I pointed one of Silca's
>>>>>> products is a chemical means of conterting the grease on a new chain
>>>>>> into wax, Liebermann and Krygowski call them liars and thieves.
>>>>>> Now Frank used ALL of his knowledge gained as a Plant Engineer to
>>>>>> cite an article filled with wishes and dreams of early settlers for
>>>>>> gaining the gift of light at times other than daylight. Of course
>>>>>> people of the 17th century didn't understand very little about
>>>>>> chemistry but to someone as slow as Krygowski, his useless citation
>>>>>> provided him ALL of rhe knowledge necessary to deny chemistry
>>>>>> advances of Silca.
>>>>>
>>>>> I said nothing about Silca. I merely pointed out that you were wrong
>>>>> in your claim that candle wax comes from tallow. As I said, these days
>>>>> it doesn't, except in very weird instances.
>>>> "Weird" is a very judgemental sort of word, isn't it?  Tallow
>>>> candles
>>>> are still available for sale:
>>>> https://thefiltery.com/non-toxic-tallow-candles/
>>>
>>> Yes. As I said, "Some people still make or value tallow candles. Those
>>> are mostly the sorts of people who weave their own wool to make their
>>> own clothes, raise their own chickens, and tell time using only
>>> sundials. Heck, they probably use downtube friction shifters!"
>>
>> Weaving one's own wool implies raising the sheep, shearing, carding and
>> spinning the wool, then weaving, then tailoring.  That is a much larger
>> investment in doing it yourself than merely buying tallow candles on the
>> interwebs.  Raising and slaughtering a cow, rendering the tallow,
>> spinning the wick from home-grown hemp and pouring the candles would be
>> comparable, but simpler and less labor intensive.  Both activities were
>> commonplace a few generations ago.
>>
>> Raising chickens seems pretty mainstream by comparison, and not unusual
>> today.
>>
>> Telling time using only sundials would be quite eccentric.
>>
>> Downtube friction shifters are just slightly behind the times; I used
>> mine this morning and will again this afternoon.
>>
>> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I shouldn't have to remind you that Krygowski gives no value to the truth. Only his version of the Goebbels propaganda. Tallow is NOT lard - it is lard that has been midified by the chemicals contained in the ashes that are mixed with it. It is wax though perhaps not as pure and parrafin.


https://kitchensubstitute.com/tallow-vs-lard/
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Andrew Muzi
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