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From: Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org>
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Subject: Re: Superman (1978) John Williams' score
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 14:08:47 -0700
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On 7/4/2024 1:17 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>> On 7/3/2024 11:49 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>> In article <v63kgq$26o4m$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
>>>>> Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/26/2024 10:58 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> But the Superman I grew up with in adaptations was more cynical, if not
>>>>>>> the film noir elements of the first season of The Adventures of Superman
>>>>>>> starring George Reeves. In the few radio serials I've heard, Bud Collyer
>>>>>>> was terrific.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You like your Superman to strand people on the top of a mountain and
>>>>>> leave them to die?  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I know which George Reeves episode you were talking about. As far as I
>>>>> know, there was no Bud Collyer script like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if there were George Reeves episodes that were remakes of
>>>>> radio or movie serial scripts.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK, they were all based on fairly recent comic book stories.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No. Absolutely none of them.
>>>
>>> Remember, TV and movie writers don’t read. Especially source material. And
>>> they look down viciously on comic books as being beneath them.
>>>
>>> Hell, even in the pilot episode they got Ma and Pa Kent’s first names
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Were Clark's and Bruce's mothers both named "Martha" in the comics?  I'm
>> sure I've heard "Martha" used for Clarks mom multiple times over the
>> years, but I don't recall ever hearing a name for Bruce's mom before the
>> Snyder movie.
> 
> Martha Clark Kent (close your eyes and you can hear Glenn Ford call her
> that) 

I sure can.  :-)

has been Mary and Sarah and Marthe but she’s been Martha since like
> 1950.
> 
> Now Mom Wayne… I’m gonna have to look that up.
> 
> Wow. I am learning stuff.
> 
> Martha Wayne was a nameless cipher early on much as Martha Kent was. But
> unlike Martha Kent, “Martha“ is the only first name the bat mom has ever
> had.
> 
> When it was first used though is a little harder to track down.
> 
> Her maiden name was Kane, which I never knew and makes all the various bat
> women people cousins to Batman!
> 
> Lauren Cohen played her in Dawn ofJustice!  She’s credited as Martha and
> that was 2016.
> 
> Wiki says she was Martha Wayne in Batman 1989 but the credits just call her
> Mrs. Wayne.
> 
> OK, she’s credited on screen as Martha Wayne in 2005s Batman Begins. So the
> name predates Snyder by at least a decade.
> 
> Setting the way back machine farther and further…
> 
> Aha! Martha Wayne was credited on screen by that name in 1995’s Batman
> Forever!  So at least 20 years before Snyder.
> 
> Adrienne Barbeau played Martha Wayne in the 1992 Batman the animated series
> episode “Perchance to Dream“ S01E26
> I’m absolutely certain she wouldn’t be credited as the character, but I
> have no idea if they said her name aloud.
> Unfortunately, the episode titles and dates from IMDb don’t match Amazon at
> all. So I can’t actually check the episode because I can’t find anything
> like it…
> Got it! Amazon calls it S02E02. And it’s free to watch! I am going in…
> 
> God, I hate the people that programs streamers. They absolutely will not
> let me watch the ending credits of the episode. They either put a preview
> of the next episode over the credits or just jump to the next episode,
> whether you want them to or not. I managed to make out that they credited
> Adrienne Barbeau as “Catwoman“ so I doubt she’ll get a second credit as Ma
> Wayne.  The x-ray feature calls her Martha, but of course that was
> programmed quite recently. It does sort of infer that the script called her
> that though.
> 

Thank you!  So Snyder didn't just make it up.  Good to know.