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From: Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Is everyone as blissfully ignorant as the Apple zealots are?
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 07:39:51 -0000 (UTC)
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badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-05 11:43, badgolferman wrote:
>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> [snip typical nonsense]
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Personally I think they are so invested in the perfection of Apple that
>>>>> they cannot bear the thought of there being flaws in its products. If
>>>>> someone exposes such flaws, it invalidates everything they stand for.
>>>> 
>>>> The other side of the coin is that some people are so eager to find flaws
>>>> in Apple they forget to check basic facts. Like is this even anything
>>>> within Apple's control? Hint: nope.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If Apple software is dependent upon someone else’s software, it’s Apple’s
>>> responsibility to ensure that software is safe. After all, it’s Apple who
>>> tells us they are focused on safety and security.
>>> 
>> 
>> Which you'll argue while at the same time arguing that Apple is wrong to 
>> do what it can to increase safety and security by using an app store.
>> 
> 
> I have no problem with the App Store. But I do think the option to use
> other stores should exist, with all warnings and check marks required for
> you to advance. Apple shouldn’t be responsible for software they have not
> vetted and if the customer still wants it then they are culpable if
> something goes wrong. 
> 
> But this is a different situation. Apple used someone else’s software and
> didn’t correctly vet that. 

See? You don't even understand the vulnerability. Yet you're happy to
freely blame Apple. 

Apple haven't used anything here. It is third party developers who used a
utility that made life easier for them to support *their* apps. These apps
then are deployed into the Apple ecosystem. 

Apple haven't used it, cannot check and have no responsibility for what
tools developers use in creating their apps. 

> It perpetuated itself deeper and has caused
> security problems now. That’s on Apple. 

That's like blaming Ford for a flaw in Continental tyres.