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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:30:43 -0500
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On 7/6/2024 10:29 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 06.jul.2024 om 17:10 schreef olcott:
>> On 7/6/2024 10:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 06.jul.2024 om 15:01 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 7/6/2024 4:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 05.jul.2024 om 17:54 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 7/5/2024 10:48 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>> Op 05.jul.2024 om 16:05 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2024 8:54 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LIAR! I give up on you.
>>>>>>>> https://liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No need to come back, because you are unable to point to any 
>>>>>>> error in my reasoning. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I conclusively proved that HHH is correctly simulating itself
>>>>>> simulating DDD and you simply freaking lie about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your replies are only irrelevant, or supporting my reasoning. I 
>>>>>>> showed that HHH cannot possibly simulate itself correctly and 
>>>>>>> your full trace supports this, as it shows that the simulating 
>>>>>>> HHH is unable to reach the 'ret' of the simulated HHH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Unable to reach ret IS A FREAKING CORRECT FREAKING SIMULATION*
>>>>>
>>>>> Unable to reach ret *is a freaking demonstration* of an incorrect 
>>>>> simulation.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it was incorrect you would have to show which
>>>> x86 instruction was simulated incorrectly. You
>>>> can't do that because it is a matter of verified
>>>> fact that none of them were simulated incorrectly.
>>>
>>> Incorrect reasoning. 
>>
>> I commented at the wrong place.
>>
>> The semantics of the x86 language are the only criterion
>> measure of correct emulation. Only stupid liars would disagree.
> 
> So, why do you disagree that the x86 code specifies an HHH that aborts 
> and halts? 

Dishonest dodge of changing the subject. This is called
the strawman deception and is a favorite tactic of liars.

If you sufficiently understand the semantics of the x86
language then you can see that the call to HHH(DDD) from
DDD simulated according to the semantics of the x86 language
cannot possibly return.

If you fail to sufficiently understand the semantics of the
x86 language then seeing this is impossible for you.

_DDD()
[00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d               pop ebp
[00002183] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]

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