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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 13:37:33 -0500
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On 7/6/2024 1:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 7/6/24 1:59 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 7/6/2024 9:53 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 7/5/24 11:50 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 7/5/2024 6:12 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Then ADMIT an error rather then say someone else is wrong because 
>>>>> you didn't say what you meant.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It takes many revisions to precisely state my intuitions.
>>>> Every one is less than perfect. They keep getting better.
>>>
>>> But, you refuse to acknoledge that you previous statements were 
>>> errors, but accuse people of lying because they took you at your words.
>>>
>>
>> It is/was incorrect for me to call people liars when
>> they disputed the exact meaning of my prior less than
>> accurate words and they only disputed this on the basis
>> of the less than accuracy.
> 
> Then why do you continue to do so?
> 
I am unconvinced that I ever did this.

> The mere
> 
>>
>> That is not what is happening on the other set of threads.
>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True on the basis of its verbal meaning isn't a thing in formal 
>>>>>>> system, so not a Tautology, unless you mean by "verbal meaning" 
>>>>>>> the meaning assigned to the term in the system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Se that I have to update it again because I am fallible.
>>>>>> Did you know that the Gnostic Demiurge concept of God is fallible?
>>>>>
>>>>> And that Gnosticism is just a heresy that is inconsistent, and thus 
>>>>> not true.
>>>>>
>>>> It is a notion of God as an ordinary human that also was the
>>>> sole creator. Ultimately only an omniscient being could make
>>>> the 100% reliable call on this.
>>>
>>> But such a God could not do what he did.
>>>
>>
>> Again my less than accurate words.
>> A being that has no more knowledge than a human creates
>> the universe by first creating/discovering light from
>> what is otherwise silences and darkness.
> 
> But is that probable, or even possible.
> 
Again the key issue is that someone that is essentially
a fallible human does this.

> That is one of your failings, you imgaine something that maybe jus 
> tmight be possible, (even if it isn't) and assume it is.
> 
The only actual impossibilities are logical impossibilities.
The strangest logically possible thing is that a real live
two dimensional Bugs Bunny knocks on your door.

>>
>> Complete darkness so very gradually becomes pure white
>> light that it takes a long long time for this being to
>> notice the change.
>>
>> Later on this being imagines a flat surface that is
>> perpendicular to their own frame-of-reference and
>> decides to push the top of this flat surface backwards
>> so that it forms a 45 degree angle. This is how the
>> third dimension to space could have been created.
>>
>> A very long time later this being decides that they
>> want to forget that they did this and they condition
>> themselves to get out of the habit of using their power.
>>
>> The essence of all of this is explained in the great book.
>> https://www.amazon.com/What-Are-You-Doing-Universe/dp/0878770658
>>
>> The original version of this book tells the reader that they
>> themselves are the one and only creator of the universe.
>> The library of congress classifies this book as possible truth
>> Philosophical Anthropology Miscellanea
>>
>> Later versions of this book have an identical body yet come with
>> the caveat this this is a possible truth not a declared fact.
> 
> And by promoting such ideas, you show that you do not believe in the 
> actual all powerful God that did create the univesre, and thus whe it 

I have long since fully understood that beliefs and
disbelief are lies that we tell ourselves. They are
lies because they close the mind to additional information.

> comes time for the judgement of your life, you will be found lacking in 
> the faith needed to redeam you from your failings, and thus spend your 
> eternity seperated from him, in the place, best described in human 
> terms, as the eternal fires of Hell.
> 
Faith is not the same thing as the mere presumption that
beliefs often are. Faith is the substance of things hoped for
not the presumption that we are correct thus others are wrong.

> If you are not convinced, which is the more likely origin of the world, 
> and which decision has the more impact on what you should do.
> 
I am testing the hypothesis that I was deceived by Satan.

Every translation of the bible agrees that God himself would
be this deceiver.

For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to 
believe what is false,
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Thessalonians%202:11

I have ALWAYS only wanted what-ever the truth turns out to be
even if everyone in the universe disagrees.

*THE TRUTH OF THIS SEEMS INFALLIBLY CORRECT*
That every expression of language that is {true on the basis of
its meaning expressed using language} must have a connection by
truth preserving operations to its {meaning expressed using language}
is a tautology. The accurate model of the actual world is expressed
using formal language and formalized natural language.

*Meaning that all of math and logic that disagrees are WRONG*

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer