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Subject: China and Matteo Ricci Re: Japs can't pronounce L's (the Japanese
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 22:48:24 -0600
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Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 05/07/24 06:28, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> bertietaylor <bertietaylor@novabbs.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> [on the Dutch]
>>> Amazing lot, going to the ends of the Earth to grab whatever they could.
>>> Active!
>>
>> As far as Nagasaki, anyway.
>> The Dutch didn't grab anything there, they traded.
>> They were succesful in that, precisely because
>> they did not try to grab anything.
>> (that's what the Spanish and the Portugese were kicked out for)
> 
> That was part of the reason. Another important part was that the Spanish
> and Portuguese tried to convert people to Christianity.
> 
> One bit of information that the Dutch brought to Japan was the fact that
> there was more than one Christian religion, and that the Christians did
> not agree amongst themselves on religious questions.
> 
> (In the long term, the accumulation of more and more religions is a path
> to atheism.)


Recently read "A Jesuit in the Forbidden City:
Matteo Ricci, 1552-1610". Worth plowing through.
 From the book and the wiki page on him, it
appears that China kept things pretty well
contained:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Ricci
"At the time, Christian missionary activity
in China was almost completely limited to
Macau..."

Ricci did an amazing amount of work learning
Chinese, both speaking and reading:

"Once in Macau, Ricci studied the Chinese
language and customs. It was the beginning
of a long project that made him one of the
first Western scholars to master Chinese
script and Classical Chinese. "

Not much mention of Ricci in this group
from what I see in google.