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From: Andrew <andrew@spam.net>
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Subject: Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 18:51:52 -0000 (UTC)
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Andy Burns wrote on Sun, 7 Jul 2024 19:12:04 +0100 :

>> I assume that you have to login to the phone with the provider pin, to 
>> power up the phone. And then requires the phone entry auth, which 
>> normally these days it is a pattern with the finger. And normally this 
>> assumes you logged in to Android/google.
>> 
>> I am not going to test without that login. You try that yourself.
> 
> We know it's not compulsory to associate a google account with an 
> android phone, any guesses what percentage *do* have one?
> Kind of pointless game as we have no way of finding out.

To Andy's quite valid pragmatically sensible observation... 

1. We all know I don't have a Google Account set up on my phone, and 
   we all know I can likely do more than most people, right?

   So we know the Google Account isn't required just to do things
   like messaging (which I do all day, every day, with iOS & Android
   users despite the moronic Apple users not understanding that).

   You just have to be intelligent about using the phone w/o Google.
   That's all.

2. However.... we also know that ~99.99% of people do exactly 
   what the phone tells them to do - which - of course - is to 
   set up a Google Account on that phone - which means - to Andy's 
   question - I'd guess the percentage is ~99.99% (give or take)
   who, like the idiotic iPhone users, blindly log into Google 
   servers every moment of every day of the rest of their lives.

3. So I get Andy's point that, if MLS requires a login account, 
   and, in fact, if MLS requires both participants to have a 
   login account on the same Google server, then it's not such 
   a privacy flaw as I make it out to be (as they're already dead).

However, that doesn't change the question nor the answer to it, right?

Q: Does RCS require both participants to log into a server or not?
Q: Does ENCRYPTED RCS require both to log into a server or not?
Q: Does MLS require both participants to log into the same server?

Any idea?