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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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Subject: Re: Google is preparing to replace RCS with MLS
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:56:57 -0700
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On 2024-07-07 11:51, Andrew wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote on Sun, 7 Jul 2024 19:12:04 +0100 :
> 
>>> I assume that you have to login to the phone with the provider pin, to
>>> power up the phone. And then requires the phone entry auth, which
>>> normally these days it is a pattern with the finger. And normally this
>>> assumes you logged in to Android/google.
>>>
>>> I am not going to test without that login. You try that yourself.
>>
>> We know it's not compulsory to associate a google account with an
>> android phone, any guesses what percentage *do* have one?
>> Kind of pointless game as we have no way of finding out.
> 
> To Andy's quite valid pragmatically sensible observation...
> 
> 1. We all know I don't have a Google Account set up on my phone, and
>     we all know I can likely do more than most people, right?

No one here knows either of those things for a fact.

We know you CLAIM both of those things.

> 
>     So we know the Google Account isn't required just to do things
>     like messaging (which I do all day, every day, with iOS & Android
>     users despite the moronic Apple users not understanding that).

An account doesn't have to be a Google account.

> 
>     You just have to be intelligent about using the phone w/o Google.
>     That's all.
> 
> 2. However.... we also know that ~99.99% of people do exactly
>     what the phone tells them to do - which - of course - is to
>     set up a Google Account on that phone - which means - to Andy's
>     question - I'd guess the percentage is ~99.99% (give or take)
>     who, like the idiotic iPhone users, blindly log into Google
>     servers every moment of every day of the rest of their lives.
> 
> 3. So I get Andy's point that, if MLS requires a login account,
>     and, in fact, if MLS requires both participants to have a
>     login account on the same Google server, then it's not such
>     a privacy flaw as I make it out to be (as they're already dead).
> 
> However, that doesn't change the question nor the answer to it, right?
> 
> Q: Does RCS require both participants to log into a server or not?
> Q: Does ENCRYPTED RCS require both to log into a server or not?
> Q: Does MLS require both participants to log into the same server?
> 
> Any idea?

How do you imagine messages get from your phone to someone else's 
without going through a server, you idiot?