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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: fun with nonces Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 13:03:44 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <v6esb0$f604$1@dont-email.me> References: <324bb1a7476b82ad04e91b41ab885894d25358e3@i2pn2.org> <v69lcb$3e2hf$1@dont-email.me> <1de7695e68c4ca5bb4a87cc8d879a540480d9944@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2024 22:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0ecdb18ed35c2abf38d5c9c78345642e"; logging-data="497668"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX197KG67SzEEGEOZbi+yvEUse+MTIATK4wg=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xbVCbaqpdPNg4ebXHr9t1eo+sYo= In-Reply-To: <1de7695e68c4ca5bb4a87cc8d879a540480d9944@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2301 On 7/5/2024 1:46 PM, Stefan Claas wrote: > Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> On 7/4/2024 10:47 AM, Stefan Claas wrote: >>> Let's assume Bob travels a lot and he wishes to >>> communicate encrypted with Alice, while using an >>> encryption program which uses a nonce as additional >>> input parameter. >>> >>> He does not need to send Alice the nonces, once he >>> arrived, because they both have a shared secret. >>> Alice and Bob can generate them by themselves, no >>> matter what timezone they are in and the nonces will >>> be random and can be re-generated with the same values >>> again, per day. >>> >>> https://github.com/stefanclaas/nfs >>> >>> I Have to do a README which explains this scenario >>> a bit. Hope you like the idea! >>> >> >> Hopefully the nonces were created by a TRNG such that they cannot be >> repeated expect by pure chance... Fair enough? >> >> Every PRNG has a period and a way to set the starting point. > > Well, they can be also pseudo-random. Mine are deterministic, > based on a passphrase and date while using hkdf. > Can somebody try to get at things where they can gain educated guesses at your schedule, so to speak?