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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 22:02:02 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <v6fkrb$mr5k$2@dont-email.me> References: <v67685$6fr5$1@solani.org> <v6cajn$3uu9o$1@dont-email.me> <e25eac30415eb75101e6e8af05c3a40d6ea8dbda@i2pn2.org> <v6cf9d$3viun$3@dont-email.me> <f22abb5f17f657bd1122de3c6339beadf4fb3e8f@i2pn2.org> <v6ch6a$13k$2@dont-email.me> <4ce79acf7c53160136f77603265cc1e5a5d3e34e@i2pn2.org> <v6cpnc$1b3m$2@dont-email.me> <9e59212316a9b258e95a1de7f5cca46fee37861e@i2pn2.org> <v6csla$1otr$2@dont-email.me> <3f12eb90be522441c8b95d17d25767fcaf72ed2d@i2pn2.org> <v6cvqs$5vir$2@dont-email.me> <efced1648cf7ddc1c257d7c4369add3b391dd005@i2pn2.org> <v6d2r0$6cgn$2@dont-email.me> <931fe5b1e73d204bf20a268dd025489e3040371d@i2pn2.org> <v6e5ho$bbcb$2@dont-email.me> <0f3e40caf51b61ebb05c4ec2ae44042bff632017@i2pn2.org> <v6el1u$e6tb$1@dont-email.me> <3c9ef913b1fbbca50c1a4acd02401906646327ed@i2pn2.org> <RpKdnUjg8sjx0Bb7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <2d0b6260615af8afac79ee8de57bcd45c2f2056f@i2pn2.org> <v6fk9p$mr5k$1@dont-email.me> <8bd5f2159853ff17ef81b27a85141bccc324e7d9@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 05:02:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8e9286d680ce7523efb7696bf75a6d8f"; logging-data="748724"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19UrihwwuJM3K1VsRt3yZnY" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:AevS6lgmlFLZ3DrtMRKdRO9GqQo= In-Reply-To: <8bd5f2159853ff17ef81b27a85141bccc324e7d9@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3548 On 7/7/2024 9:54 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 7/7/24 10:52 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 7/7/2024 9:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 7/7/24 10:22 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 7/7/2024 1:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is "Not-a-logic-sentence" a truth value that True, of ~false can >>>>> return or not? >>>>> >>>> >>>> *I will try to be perfectly clear* >>>> Not-a-logic-sentence(L,x) ≡ (~True(L,x) ∧ ~True(L,~x)) >>>> >>> >>> In other words, you have no idea of how to express you concept in the >>> terms of how a logic would be built with it, as you just don't >>> undertand how logic works. >>> >> >> That every expression of language that is {true on the basis of >> its meaning expressed using language} must have a connection by >> truth preserving operations to its {meaning expressed using language} >> is a tautology. The accurate model of the actual world is expressed >> using formal language and formalized natural language. >> > > Word salad. > > No such model exists, so you are basing your system on faery dust. > > You just don't understand what you are talking about, and think Formal > Logic is just like the abstract philosophy you seemed to have studied a > bit of. Formal logic is a subset of this. Not-a-logic-sentence(PA,g) ≡ (~True(PA,g) ∧ ~True(PA,~g)) There are no truth preserving operations in PA to g or to ~g -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer