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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal september failure Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 22:09:29 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <v6fl9a$mr5k$3@dont-email.me> References: <v67685$6fr5$1@solani.org> <e25eac30415eb75101e6e8af05c3a40d6ea8dbda@i2pn2.org> <v6cf9d$3viun$3@dont-email.me> <f22abb5f17f657bd1122de3c6339beadf4fb3e8f@i2pn2.org> <v6ch6a$13k$2@dont-email.me> <4ce79acf7c53160136f77603265cc1e5a5d3e34e@i2pn2.org> <v6cpnc$1b3m$2@dont-email.me> <9e59212316a9b258e95a1de7f5cca46fee37861e@i2pn2.org> <v6csla$1otr$2@dont-email.me> <3f12eb90be522441c8b95d17d25767fcaf72ed2d@i2pn2.org> <v6cvqs$5vir$2@dont-email.me> <efced1648cf7ddc1c257d7c4369add3b391dd005@i2pn2.org> <v6d2r0$6cgn$2@dont-email.me> <931fe5b1e73d204bf20a268dd025489e3040371d@i2pn2.org> <v6e5ho$bbcb$2@dont-email.me> <0f3e40caf51b61ebb05c4ec2ae44042bff632017@i2pn2.org> <v6el1u$e6tb$1@dont-email.me> <3c9ef913b1fbbca50c1a4acd02401906646327ed@i2pn2.org> <RpKdnUjg8sjx0Bb7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <2d0b6260615af8afac79ee8de57bcd45c2f2056f@i2pn2.org> <v6fk9p$mr5k$1@dont-email.me> <8bd5f2159853ff17ef81b27a85141bccc324e7d9@i2pn2.org> <v6fkrb$mr5k$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 05:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8e9286d680ce7523efb7696bf75a6d8f"; logging-data="748724"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19wwjRJa0cE/gBJMLhJUPxC" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:JEyQCNIIYLpzwUyPjz1HRXstjfY= In-Reply-To: <v6fkrb$mr5k$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3957 On 7/7/2024 10:02 PM, olcott wrote: > On 7/7/2024 9:54 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 7/7/24 10:52 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 7/7/2024 9:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 7/7/24 10:22 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 7/7/2024 1:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is "Not-a-logic-sentence" a truth value that True, of ~false can >>>>>> return or not? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *I will try to be perfectly clear* >>>>> Not-a-logic-sentence(L,x) ≡ (~True(L,x) ∧ ~True(L,~x)) >>>>> >>>> >>>> In other words, you have no idea of how to express you concept in >>>> the terms of how a logic would be built with it, as you just don't >>>> undertand how logic works. >>>> >>> >>> That every expression of language that is {true on the basis of >>> its meaning expressed using language} must have a connection by >>> truth preserving operations to its {meaning expressed using language} >>> is a tautology. The accurate model of the actual world is expressed >>> using formal language and formalized natural language. >>> >> >> Word salad. >> >> No such model exists, so you are basing your system on faery dust. >> >> You just don't understand what you are talking about, and think Formal >> Logic is just like the abstract philosophy you seemed to have studied >> a bit of. > > Formal logic is a subset of this. > Not-a-logic-sentence(PA,g) ≡ (~True(PA,g) ∧ ~True(PA,~g)) > There are no truth preserving operations in PA to g or to ~g > https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_275_276.pdf Within my analytical framework this Tarski sentence is merely self-contradictory (3) x ∉ Provable if and only if x ∈ True. // (1) and (2) combined There are no truth preserving operations in Tarski's theory to x if and only if There are truth preserving operations in Tarski's theory to x -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer