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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 09:19:59 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <v6jguf$1ctoi$5@dont-email.me> References: <v6e7va$c4sv$1@dont-email.me> <v6g444$pdc2$1@dont-email.me> <v6go4d$sg7f$1@dont-email.me> <v6ikv5$19h6q$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2024 16:20:00 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b5da22ad5ca0d0ccd5a9478202582a44"; logging-data="1472274"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+LR1QytxfVmYaYHP1sp+wF" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:27PPLqNLznA1NCezVBx0kMdtrPE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v6ikv5$19h6q$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2897 On 7/9/2024 1:22 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-07-08 13:04:13 +0000, olcott said: >> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >> until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never >> stop running unless aborted then >> >> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> >>> Whether a partial simulation of DDD simulates the return depends >>> on the simulator. >> >> That is false proving that you have insufficient knowledge. > > It is true. There are partial simulators that do simulate D(I) to its > termination (if it terminates) and there are simulators that don't. > That you cannot imagine something does not mean it can't exist. > No pure function x86 emulator HHH can possibly emulate DDD to its termination. _DDD() [00002163] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002164] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD [0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD) [00002170] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002173] 5d pop ebp [00002174] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174] *When DDD is correctly emulated by any pure function* *HHH x86 emulator that can possibly exist* which calls an emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat this process until the emulated DDD is aborted. At no point in this emulation does the call from DDD correctly emulated by HHH to HHH(DDD) ever return. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer