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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Scientific Discoveries That Suggest Evolution Is False?
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 16:39:42 -0500
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On 7/9/2024 3:23 AM, jillery wrote:
> MSN has been posting a lot of nonsense from Creationists and cdesign
> proponentsists recently.  The following is an example:
> 
> <https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/mind-and-soul/scientific-discoveries-that-suggest-evolution-is-false/ss-BB1oN5KV?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=c43911ee82944a5598ad288c0bead685&ei=19#image=1>
> 
> <https://tinyurl.com/4na2jfrp>
> 
>  From the article:
> 
> *************************************
> For example, Darwin’s theory does a good job with the finch birds,
> explaining how variations in weather patterns result in changes in the
> shape and structure of the finch beaks. However, that mechanism does
> not do a good job of explaining the origins of birds or other major
> animal groups in the first place. So basically, innovation, no but
> modification, yes.
> **************************************
> 
> The above should sound very familiar to regular T.O. readers, as it's
> boilerplate from "Darwin's Doubt".
> 
> The following is a good example of the "innovation" which Darwin's
> theory explains just fine, no intelligent designer required or
> necessary:
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitroplast>
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endosymbiont>
> 
> <https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(24)00182-X.pdf>
> 
> <https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk1075>
> 
> 
> To my knowledge, nitroplasts haven't been mentioned in T.O. before.
> They are a newly-discovered organelle in some algae, likely evolved
> from endosymbiotic bacteria, just as are mitochondria and
> chloroplasts.

Nitroplasts haven't seemed to have garnered much scientific interest. 
The bacteria seems to have been identified in 1998 and classified as an 
endosymbiont in 2013.  Wiki claims that they are researching how to 
transfer the endosymbiont to crop plants.  Some crop plants (legumes) 
can produce nitrogen fixing root nodules that protect nitrogen fixing 
bacteria.  The nitrogen fixing bacteria are anaerobic and have to be 
protected against oxygen.  Photosynthetic cyanobacteria can fix 
nitrogen, and supposedly could fix nitrogen before they evolved aerobic 
photosynthesis, and they had to adapt the anaerobic nitrogen fixing to 
their oxygen generating carbon compound production.  Apparently they fix 
nitrogen at night when photosynthesis is turned off and not producing 
oxygen.  The nitroplasts, must do the same thing.  It will likely be 
tricky to adapt them to crop plants.  You don't want them taking up 
space in the leaves that need to be packed with chloroplasts, so they 
would need to be reverse regulated.  Then need to be fully formed and 
active in the roots (chloroplasts exist in root cells, but they are not 
fully formed and functional) and need to be limited in number in the 
leaves, and somehow you need to keep oxygen away from them in the root 
cells.  This will be hard to do because root cells are still aerobic and 
need oxygen.  Some plants like rice that can survive flooding can 
tolerate lower oxygen levels, but most plants can't.

Ron Okimoto

> 
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> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>