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From: The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com>
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Subject: Re: State of drwho
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 14:49:45 -0000 (UTC)
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The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> In article <v6m1bn$1u2hk$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Last Doctor  <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> Lots to talk about
>> 
>> Yes there is
>>> 
>>> how AI meeses up 'classic' Doctor Who.
>> 
>> No, AI isn’t doing that. You are. AI cannot determine context, cannot watch
>> TV, and cannot make judgements or form opinions. It cannot review. Full
>> stop. All it can do is abstract the information it has. You and others feed
>> useless information to it, ask it to do something it is incapable of, and
>> then blame it for only being able to do the limited things it is able to
>> do. 
>> 
>> I mean, AI can “review” TV better than you or Aggie can. Given enough good
>> input. But that’s a really, REALLY low bar.
>> 
> 
> I give it the scripts to read from the regualr site we know is good.

1) it can’t read scripts. It processes the text.

2) it’s clearly using other sources in cases where it gets the characters
wrong.

3) the scripts won’t show you the special effects, the music, the
direction, the acting skills on show, the lighting, the pacing, the nuances
of intonation and mannerisms, the mistakes, the costumes, the monsters, the
overall production quality, or indeed 90% of what you’d need to know to
review the show.

Chrissie’s script will tell you the words spoken, outline movements and
scenes, and occasionally speculate about what’s on screen. Not always
correctly. It’s great for quotes and knowing what was actually said in the
script. It’s NOT a source for review. Review requires watching the episode
and applying judgement on it, none of which AI can do or even emulate by
extension yet and probably not for decades.


>>> how RTD is letting DW decay due to the Timeless Child influence.
>> 
>> No, RTD isn’t doing that. He’s barely touched on the Timeless Child. He has
>> made the Doctor being an orphan a core part of the 15th Doctor’s emotional
>> engagement with the universe. But change is not decay. It’s just change.
>> 
> 
> What about the "I am an orphan" mentions?

So where I said “He has made the Doctor being an orphan a core part of the
15th Doctor’s emotional
engagement with the universe”, is it possible I was referring to “I am an
orphan” mentions?

RTD does not dwell on the Doctor being alien to his own people, on the
torture and experimentation, on his possibly unique ability to regenerate
indefinitely, his history with Tecteun and the Division, or the possibly
hundreds of lifetimes of memories locked away into the mini Matrix of a
chameleon arch archive storage (“fob watch”).

You know, all the myriad problematic elements that “the Timeless Child” is
composed of.

>>> Are people turned on of off by RTD's second coming.
>> 
>> I don’t know anyone who has sexual feelings either way about RTD or has
>> watched him come even once let alone twice. That’s someone’s private life.
>> Let’s NOT discuss it.
>> 
> 
> Boo on pulling tht one off.

I don’t want to pull one off either. Ewww.

>>> Are woeks destoying Doctor Who.
>> 
>> Ewoks? That’s Star Wars.
>> 
> 
> Wokes.

“Woke” is an adjective, not a noun.

Quoting from Wikipedia - “Woke is a political slang adjective derived from
African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) originally meaning alertness to
racial prejudice and discrimination. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to
encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial
injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights.”

So assuming that you mean “people who are woke”, your question is “are
people who are aware of social inequalities and want to make society
better, destroying Doctor Who?” 

And my answer is - when the pendulum of prejudice swings blatantly and
heavy-handedly in the opposite direction, the result can be weaker or
counterproductive. That’s happened once or twice in Doctor Who, as it
happens occasionally in almost all modern media. But that’s not a problem
with being “woke”. Being “woke” is self evidently a good thing for social
awareness. It’s a problem with sensitivity of the messaging and the
subtlety of inclusion.

So no, ewoks aren’t destroying Doctor Who. Nor are wookiees.

-- 
“Most of the Universe is knackered, babes.”  - The Doctor