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On Tue, 09 Jul 2024 06:52:49 -0700, john larkin wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 09:24:30 -0000 (UTC), RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>On 9 Jul 2024 at 05:04:24 BST, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>
>>> From time to time I get to remind the qroup that I'm a democratic
>>> socialist - while Communists are autocratic socialists,
>>> and got slung out of the International Socialist movements in 1871,
>>> when Karl Marx's silly ideas about "the leading role" of the party
>>> were rejected.
>>> 
>>> 
>>Very kind of you! But a small point - the CP was, theoretically, a
>>socialist bridge to communism. Nobody - especially Marx - know what
>>communism would be in detail - simply that the process of revolutionary
>>socialism would put an end to capitalism for the right reasons.
>>
>>> Mikhail Bakunin's famous quote dates from that period
>>> 
>>> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/801264-if-you-took-the-most-ardent-
revolutionary-vested-him-in
>>
>>So history might suggest :-)
> 
> In other words, power corrupts.
> 
> Which means that governments are dynamically unstable, and a
> long-term-democratic society is a remarkable thing.
> 
> Why end "capitalism"? Economic and intellectual plualism works.

So does a mixed economy of both private enterprise and publicly-owned 
bodies if the size of the state sector can be constrained. Unfortunately, 
states have a tendency to grow themselves if not kept in strict check and 
this is in large part responsible for the truly *vast* debt burden now 
carried on the back of so many Western countries.