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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic,comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 15:53:02 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 59 Message-ID: <v6msbe$22g4i$2@dont-email.me> References: <v6m7si$1uq86$2@dont-email.me> <v6mhc7$20hbo$2@dont-email.me> <v6mito$bbr$1@news.muc.de> <v6mjlg$20sio$2@dont-email.me> <v6mlfj$bbr$2@news.muc.de> <v6ms4h$22g4i$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 22:53:03 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1ca7ba779153ded89a6e04f3275941c5"; logging-data="2179218"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/+QSKjVWU7FTRLnjgffHEh" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:O675v6rJ2uWHEvWEEPuhyK1SnIE= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v6ms4h$22g4i$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3312 On 7/10/2024 3:49 PM, olcott wrote: > On 7/10/2024 1:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> Fred. Zwarts <F.Zwarts@hetnet.nl> wrote: >>> Op 10.jul.2024 om 20:12 schreef Alan Mackenzie: >>>> [ Followup-To: set ] >> >>>> In comp.theory Fred. Zwarts <F.Zwarts@hetnet.nl> wrote: >> >>>> [ .... ] >> >>>>> Proving that the simulation is incorrect. Because a correct simulation >>>>> would not abort a halting program halfway its simulation. >> >>>> Just for clarity, a correct simulation wouldn't abort a non-halting >>>> program either, would it? Or have I misunderstood this correctness? >> >>>> [ .... ] >> >> >>> A non-halting program cannot be simulated correctly in a finite time. >>> So, it depends whether we can call it a correct simulation, when it does >>> not abort. But, for some meaning of 'correct', indeed, a simulator >>> should not abort a non-halting program either. >> >> OK, thanks! >> > > In other words he is saying that when you do > 1 step correctly you did 0 steps correctly. > In other words he is using deceitful weasel wording to try to escape a truism. We stipulate that the only measure of a correct emulation is the semantics of the x86 programming language. By this measure when 1 to ∞ steps of DDD are correctly emulated by each pure function x86 emulator HHH (of the infinite set of every HHH that can possibly exist) then DDD cannot possibly reach past its own machine address of 0000216b and halt. _DDD() [00002163] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002164] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD [0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD) [00002170] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002173] 5d pop ebp [00002174] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174] On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > But H determines (correctly) that D would not halt > if it were not halted. That much is a truism. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer