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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Minimal Logics in the 2020's: A Meteoric Rise --- eternal
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 19:09:24 -0500
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On 7/10/2024 7:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 7/10/24 9:58 AM, olcott wrote:
>> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 7/8/24 8:28 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Every expression of language that cannot be proven
>>>> or refuted by any finite or infinite sequence of
>>>> truth preserving operations connecting it to its
>>>> meaning specified as a finite expression of language
>>>> is rejected.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So?
>>>
>>> Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an infinite sequence 
>>> of truth preserving operations.
>>>
>>
>> Every time that you affirm your above error you prove
>> yourself to be a liar.
> 
> What error?
> 
> We know, that in the system the statements are made, tehre is an 
> infinite chain of truth preserving operationf from teh fundamental 
> truths of the sytsems to the conclusion.
> 
> We know that because in a meta-theory we can develop additional 
> knowledge allowing us to see the infinite chain, with something like an 
> induction property or something else that reduces the infinite to finite.
> 
>>
>> On 7/8/2024 9:59 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>  > No, infinite "proofs" determine TRUTH, not knowledge.
>>
>> You could just say, "I didn't say that correctly"
>> and we would be done.
> 
> Right, an infinite "proof", in quotes because that is the term YOU use, 
> even though there is no such thing, but in actuality it is an infinite 
> chain of truth preserving operations  DO establish that something is 
> True in the system, but by being infinite, we can never dirrectly follow 
> that path to know it.

That was your mistake. You said that we could know it.

Do I have to repeat the word "know" in you quote below
100 times before you can see it?

 >>> Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true
 >>> by an infinite sequence of truth preserving operations.


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