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Subject: Re: Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists founded
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 00:07:35 -0700
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On 1/8/2024 11:49 AM, Antonio Marques wrote:
> Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> wrote:
>>
>>   Ar an séiú lá de mí Eanair, scríobh Ross Clark:
>>
>>   > [The "Royal" and the "and Language" were only added in the 1990s]
>>   >
>>   > Crystal sees this event as a merger of two strands:
>>   > "artistic" -- elocutionists, training actors and public speakers in voice
>>   > production, and "correcting accents thought to be inferior";
>>   > "medical" -- dealing with such things as aphasia caused by stroke, and delayed
>>   > speech development in children.
>>   > The RCST established a common standard of professional training and
>>   > qualifications, for the UK at least.
>>   >
>>   > PTD used to opine that all "speech therapists" were frauds and charlatans,
>>   > apparently because he equated them with the "artistic" type, and didn't
>>   > believe anybody could or should be taught to speak with a different accent.
>>   > I, on the other hand, had only run into a few of the "medical" type, who
>>   > were doing linguistics courses. They seemed like quite sincere and
>>   > well-meaning people.


>> In my medical work they are sensible, reliable people serving a huge under-met
>> need. The amount of aphasia, dysphasia and dysphagia from stroke is immense and
>> while we are getting better at preventing stroke it is unlikely that there will
>> be any significant decrease in need for them.
>>
>> The “artistic” type; that’s a very odd opinion from PTD. Of course actors will
>> be interested in speaking in different accents, why wouldn’t they be? I seem to
>> remember him having difficulty believing me when I mentioned John Mahoney
>> (Martin Crane in “Frasier”) emigrated to the US at 18 and learned American
>> English as an adult.
>>
> 
> Over the years PTD has mentioned how actors and singers are professionally
> trained to sound according to what they need or want to. I’m not sure who
> does that, I know nothing about the backstage.
> 
> What I’m wondering about is whether the medical kind, as you call them, are
> really effective in their work. But even being less than effective doesn’t
> mean they’re cranks.
> 
> Maybe it was about some kind of ‘speech conversion therapy’ proposing to
> educate people away from their dialect? But I don’t know if such a thing
> even exists anywhere.
> 


PTD...  is missed.

my biggest memories of PTD are:

1.  bad -- his ignorance of Chinese writing

2.  good..............