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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Infinite proofs do not derive knowledge --- Richard is proved wrong Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 08:51:47 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 45 Message-ID: <v6oo1j$2fuva$2@dont-email.me> References: <RpKdnUjg8sjx0Bb7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <2d0b6260615af8afac79ee8de57bcd45c2f2056f@i2pn2.org> <v6fk9p$mr5k$1@dont-email.me> <8bd5f2159853ff17ef81b27a85141bccc324e7d9@i2pn2.org> <v6fkrb$mr5k$2@dont-email.me> <v6fl9a$mr5k$3@dont-email.me> <v6huj5$12ktu$2@dont-email.me> <7387a77d06e4b00a1c27a447e2744a4f10b25e49@i2pn2.org> <v6i08a$12ktu$4@dont-email.me> <c81e1794259853dfd7724900ebfab484679615be@i2pn2.org> <v6m42j$1tj30$9@dont-email.me> <v6o0an$2bqh7$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 15:51:47 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cb7a71f238b6f1f0fff1b8b0208457d0"; logging-data="2620394"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19ALJBYNUFJN8Lj1NA99wLH" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:kHVDV5xRts1ELoEIufuyR9znQuY= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v6o0an$2bqh7$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2799 On 7/11/2024 2:07 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-07-10 13:58:42 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 7/8/24 8:28 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>> Every expression of language that cannot be proven >>>> or refuted by any finite or infinite sequence of >>>> truth preserving operations connecting it to its >>>> meaning specified as a finite expression of language >>>> is rejected. >>>> >>> >>> So? >>> >>> Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an infinite sequence >>> of truth preserving operations. >>> >> >> Every time that you affirm your above error you prove >> yourself to be a liar. > > It is quite obvious that you are the liar. You have not shown any error > above. > Richard said the infinite proofs derive knowledge and that infinite proofs never derive knowledge. On 7/8/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > > Tarski's x like Godel's G are know to be true by an > infinite sequence of truth preserving operations. > On 7/8/2024 9:59 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > No, infinite "proofs" determine TRUTH, not knowledge. What he mean was that finite meta-analysis can be a proxy for an infinite proof. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer