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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 09:51:49 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 81 Message-ID: <v6ori5$2fuva$10@dont-email.me> References: <v6e7va$c4sv$1@dont-email.me> <v6g444$pdc2$1@dont-email.me> <v6go4d$sg7f$1@dont-email.me> <v6ikv5$19h6q$1@dont-email.me> <v6jguf$1ctoi$5@dont-email.me> <v6ji1d$1dpoc$1@dont-email.me> <v6jig0$1ctoi$11@dont-email.me> <v6jkib$1e3jq$1@dont-email.me> <v6jpe5$1eul0$1@dont-email.me> <v6jpqo$1e3jq$2@dont-email.me> <v6jqfg$1eul0$2@dont-email.me> <v6k6md$1h3a7$1@dont-email.me> <v6k9ef$1hicb$1@dont-email.me> <04b97cd4a405abead92368522fcf77070bb4fa55@i2pn2.org> <v6l24d$1oqjv$1@dont-email.me> <a267bfdf93c6fc179d09a3f62f25003f033aaff1@i2pn2.org> <v6m331$1tj30$7@dont-email.me> <6d43f24547a3b170ce6f7a99e30ec60dec589f79@i2pn2.org> <v6n8ob$24dmg$3@dont-email.me> <7f9b731b2367a2bcf2883278ee5265d30a8f82d6@i2pn2.org> <v6nau1$24jgn$2@dont-email.me> <744d42e4d9d67b49cb1844a2651cb0c350760f0c@i2pn2.org> <v6nc22$2501i$1@dont-email.me> <c784fa694b9d68f5ace1d07c9870050681268fdc@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 16:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cb7a71f238b6f1f0fff1b8b0208457d0"; logging-data="2620394"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19ifCSMcWjZQSVrySQ05/Ad" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:gqfb65dP4Od2xwIB+HBDoFX0HZc= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <c784fa694b9d68f5ace1d07c9870050681268fdc@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4850 On 7/10/2024 8:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 7/10/24 9:21 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 7/10/2024 8:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 7/10/24 9:01 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 7/10/2024 7:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 7/10/24 8:24 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 7/10/2024 7:01 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/10/24 9:41 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/10/2024 8:27 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 09 Jul 2024 23:19:25 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/9/2024 11:01 PM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > That means that HHH doesn't return, in particular that it >>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>> > abort. >>>>>>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that correctly >>>>>>>>>> emulates >>>>>>>>>> 1 to ∞ steps of DDD can't make it past the above line of code >>>>>>>>>> no matter >>>>>>>>>> what. >>>>>>>>> That line being the call to itself -> it can't simulate itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *DDD NEVER HALTS* >>>>>>>>> DDD ONLY calls HHH... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>>>> { >>>>>>>> HHH(DDD); >>>>>>>> return; >>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that >>>>>>>> correctly emulates 1 to ∞ lines of DDD can't make it >>>>>>>> to the second line of DDD no matter what. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nope, DDD does if HHH(DDD) returns. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You have a dead cat in your driveway does not mean that >>>>>> you have a peanut butter sandwich on your front porch. >>>>>> It has taken you at least 1000 messages to see that. >>>>>> >>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that >>>>>> correctly emulates 1 to ∞ lines of DDD can't make it >>>>>> to the second line of DDD no matter what. >>>>> >>>>> WRONG, you don't seem to understand the difference between DDD and >>>>> HHH's emualtion of it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Would you bet your immortal soul that DDD simulated >>>> by HHH (as provided above) would terminate normally? >>>> >>> >>> That is a ambiguous statement, showing your attempt at deciet. >>> >> >> We stipulate that the only measure of a correct emulation >> is the semantics of the x86 programming language. By this >> measure when 1 to ∞ steps of DDD are correctly emulated >> by each pure function x86 emulator HHH (of the infinite >> set of every HHH that can possibly exist) then DDD cannot >> possibly reach its own machine address of 00002174 and halt. > > And thus you stipulate that you are a LIAR. > > By the semantic of the x86 programming language, the only correct > simulation is a FULL simulation In other words you are trying to get away with the lie that when 1 step of DDD is correctly emulated that 0 steps of DDD are correctly emulated. Repent of this lie or risk damnation. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer