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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:15:24 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 49 Message-ID: <v6qoms$2ukg7$1@dont-email.me> References: <v6m7si$1uq86$2@dont-email.me> <v6mhc7$20hbo$2@dont-email.me> <v6mito$bbr$1@news.muc.de> <v6mjlg$20sio$2@dont-email.me> <v6mlfj$bbr$2@news.muc.de> <v6mlk6$21d9q$1@dont-email.me> <v6nu2n$2bepp$1@dont-email.me> <v6op7v$2fuva$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 10:15:25 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="807c282dc99f45cb4bf1613b1d698492"; logging-data="3101191"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18NIbR2aRoPU1/ve93c7EXH" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:GAZlcbJOI7t0mLwqy77nA5AmOpM= Bytes: 2781 On 2024-07-11 14:12:15 +0000, olcott said: > On 7/11/2024 1:28 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-07-10 18:58:14 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 7/10/2024 1:55 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>> Fred. Zwarts <F.Zwarts@hetnet.nl> wrote: >>>>> Op 10.jul.2024 om 20:12 schreef Alan Mackenzie: >>>>>> [ Followup-To: set ] >>>> >>>>>> In comp.theory Fred. Zwarts <F.Zwarts@hetnet.nl> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> [ .... ] >>>> >>>>>>> Proving that the simulation is incorrect. Because a correct simulation >>>>>>> would not abort a halting program halfway its simulation. >>>> >>>>>> Just for clarity, a correct simulation wouldn't abort a non-halting >>>>>> program either, would it? Or have I misunderstood this correctness? >>>> >>>>>> [ .... ] >>>> >>>> >>>>> A non-halting program cannot be simulated correctly in a finite time. >>>>> So, it depends whether we can call it a correct simulation, when it does >>>>> not abort. But, for some meaning of 'correct', indeed, a simulator >>>>> should not abort a non-halting program either. >>>> >>>> OK, thanks! >>>> >>> >>> In other words he is saying that when you do >>> 1 step correctly you did 0 steps correctly. >> >> That is possible as "correctly" has different meaning when talking >> about steps from when talking about simulations. >> > > *No that is always false* > When you did one anythings correctly then you did > more than zero anythings correctly. If I only correcly do one thing that is not a part of my routine then I don't do my routine correctly. If I do correctly every part of my routine but do them in a wrong order I don't do my routine correctly. -- Mikko