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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: bart <bc@freeuk.com> Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_technology_discussion_=E2=86=92_does_the_world_need?= =?UTF-8?B?IGEgIm5ldyIgQyA/?= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:03:50 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: <v6r2im$30a9n$1@dont-email.me> References: <v66eci$2qeee$1@dont-email.me> <v6gl83$s72a$1@dont-email.me> <v6h8ao$ur1v$1@dont-email.me> <v6jhk3$1drd6$1@dont-email.me> <v6jiud$1dsjb$1@dont-email.me> <877cdur1z9.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v6joi4$1epoj$1@dont-email.me> <871q42qy33.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v6k6i0$1h4d3$1@dont-email.me> <87ed82p28y.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v6m03l$1tf05$1@dont-email.me> <87r0c1nzjj.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v6m716$1urj4$1@dont-email.me> <86ikxd8czu.fsf@linuxsc.com> <v6mggd$20g3f$1@dont-email.me> <20240710213910.00000afd@yahoo.com> <v6mm02$21cpb$1@dont-email.me> <865xtc87yo.fsf@linuxsc.com> <v6ol14$2fdrj$1@dont-email.me> <87msmnu5e3.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <v6pdcf$2jijk$1@dont-email.me> <87frsfu0yp.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <v6pfo3$2jijk$2@dont-email.me> <v6qgbt$2t6p7$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:03:51 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="70309d0afdade4e9fabfb798d5d70205"; logging-data="3156279"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/pw8JLXOAZBXG+GQNF4ZVJ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:6zyRJDwuJNvYKvJIeT8HqG+fuCA= In-Reply-To: <v6qgbt$2t6p7$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB Bytes: 3453 On 12/07/2024 06:53, David Brown wrote: > On 11/07/2024 22:36, bart wrote: >> On 11/07/2024 21:29, Keith Thompson wrote: >>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes: >> >>>> The language could have helped a little by making this invalid: >>>> >>>> int A[20]; >>>> >>>> void F(int B[20]) {} >>>> >>>> The type of B looks just like that of A, but it isn't; the T[N] type >>>> is silently changed to T*. The language could insist that you write: >>>> >>>> void F(int* B) {} >>> >>> But it doesn't. Why should we waste time in comp.lang.c explaining how >>> C *could* have been defined? It's hard enough to explain how it >>> actually is defined, especially with your contributions. >>> >>>> This way, it is far clearer that a pointer is being passed, and 'pass >>>> by value' now makes more sense. The way B will be used is now >>>> consistent with the same declaration anywhere else. >>> >>> But that's not C. >> >> Why isn't it C? > > Are you trying to blame us for how C is defined? KT has chosen not to answer, and now you are evading it too. I'm asking why this: void F(int* B) {} is 'not C' according to KT. To be clear, I was proposing that: void F(int B[20]) is an error, and requiring people to write: void F(int* B) {} instead. I tried to enforce that in my C compiler, and it was a one-line change. But it can only be used for new programs, and so much existing code uses those value-array declarations, for example: LUALIB_API int (luaL_checkoption) (lua_State *L, int arg, const char *def, const char *const lst[]);