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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 07:28:56 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: <v6r7i8$30qtt$2@dont-email.me> References: <v6e7va$c4sv$1@dont-email.me> <v6jig0$1ctoi$11@dont-email.me> <v6jkib$1e3jq$1@dont-email.me> <v6jpe5$1eul0$1@dont-email.me> <v6jpqo$1e3jq$2@dont-email.me> <v6jqfg$1eul0$2@dont-email.me> <v6k6md$1h3a7$1@dont-email.me> <v6k9ef$1hicb$1@dont-email.me> <04b97cd4a405abead92368522fcf77070bb4fa55@i2pn2.org> <v6l24d$1oqjv$1@dont-email.me> <a267bfdf93c6fc179d09a3f62f25003f033aaff1@i2pn2.org> <v6m331$1tj30$7@dont-email.me> <6d43f24547a3b170ce6f7a99e30ec60dec589f79@i2pn2.org> <v6n8ob$24dmg$3@dont-email.me> <7f9b731b2367a2bcf2883278ee5265d30a8f82d6@i2pn2.org> <v6nau1$24jgn$2@dont-email.me> <744d42e4d9d67b49cb1844a2651cb0c350760f0c@i2pn2.org> <v6nc22$2501i$1@dont-email.me> <c784fa694b9d68f5ace1d07c9870050681268fdc@i2pn2.org> <v6ori5$2fuva$10@dont-email.me> <56314b3bac257d0fc228c26f3c8c5eec40a87215@i2pn2.org> <v6q4cj$2r7qt$1@dont-email.me> <1fbe0efc5b030be11df07a930754d90ce56525be@i2pn2.org> <v6q7vo$2rvqi$1@dont-email.me> <03ba90ee0fbe42d2596ab18d6a5ca17ecdf1e921@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 14:28:56 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a53340e46817c86b736359d5ee28d54a"; logging-data="3173309"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1++C6+NmrT/kRTORdBvRf4Y" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:SDal9EAam7mB5H5b1crQxOEYpZ0= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <03ba90ee0fbe42d2596ab18d6a5ca17ecdf1e921@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4400 On 7/12/2024 6:15 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 7/11/24 11:30 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 7/11/2024 10:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 7/11/24 10:28 PM, olcott wrote: We stipulate that the only measure of a correct emulation is the semantics of the x86 programming language. By this measure when 1 to ∞ steps of DDD are correctly emulated by each pure function x86 emulator HHH (of the infinite set of every HHH that can possibly exist) then DDD cannot possibly reach its own machine address of 00002174 and halt. _DDD() [00002163] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002164] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD [0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD) [00002170] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002173] 5d pop ebp [00002174] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174] >>>> >>>> When 1,2,3... ∞ steps of DDD are correctly emulated by >>>> HHH it is a lie to say that this many instructions were >>>> not correctly emulated and you know it. >>>> >>> >>> But only N instructions "correctly emulated" is NOT a CORRECT >>> emulaition of the instructions of DDD/HHH >>> >> >> I didn't limit it to N. Is this your ADD? I say 1 to infinity steps !!! >> I didn't limit it to N. Is this your ADD? I say 1 to infinity steps !!! >> I didn't limit it to N. Is this your ADD? I say 1 to infinity steps !!! >> I didn't limit it to N. Is this your ADD? I say 1 to infinity steps !!! >> I didn't limit it to N. Is this your ADD? I say 1 to infinity steps !!! >> > > So, I guess NONE of them ever stop before reaching > the end, if none of them stop before that. > 1,2,3... ∞ steps of DDD are correctly emulated is every HHH/DDD pair that can possibly exist when HHH is a pure function x86 emulator. No more dishonest shell game ruse https://jorynjenkins.com/hiding-the-pea/ That wastes weeks and weeks talking in circles. For each element of this infinite set of HHH/DDD pairs DDD never halts. For every finite N number of emulated steps HHH halts. This means that every HHH of this set that aborts its emulation of DDD is correct to reject its DDD as non halting. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer