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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Euklid: Am I a joke to you? (Was: The curse of Negri & Plato) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 08:17:31 +0200 Message-ID: <v6t65q$j3lc$1@solani.org> References: <v67685$6fr5$1@solani.org> <v67k2b$6l2j$2@solani.org> <v67k4s$6l2j$3@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 06:17:30 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="626348"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:3lGU/WwoEMrr8v2IieTJqg6zwCQ= In-Reply-To: <v67k4s$6l2j$3@solani.org> X-User-ID: eJwFwQkBwDAIA0BLQElgcloe/xJ2h0NlhRN0LJboa2yO9jItWW/ywFpkNuwCcvel1qmHTXd4c7Pl84l0/QFbhhVx Bytes: 2735 Lines: 55 Hi, Generally speaking it is not “elements” if its only classical logic: > Plato (p. 83 of Elements of Logical > Reasoning) … excellent book The ancient Greek had a well developed sense of constructivity in their geometry, for example they distinguished between compass-and-straightedge constructions, and neuseis constructions. Constructive logic somehow appeals to this sense, but its not the only way to do non-classical logics. In a broader sense in mathematical logic its just the same discipline as the axiomatic method which is already found in Euklids geometry but applied to logic itself. Now it is evident, by the correspondence that I had, that there are people employed in philosophy departments saying a A <=> B is void if we have: CL |- A CL |- B ------------------- CL |- A <=> B They never played the axiomatic method and replaced classical logic (CL) by something else. Lets make an example from Euclids geometry. Thales theorem and Pythagroas theorem are both true? So they are equivalent? So why bother even write a booklet like Euklid elements? if you need to find the center of a circle https://youtube.com/shorts/iQeFCnSo41g Bye Mild Shock schrieb: > Hi, > > I am not halucinating that Negri is nonsense: > > This calculus does not terminate (e.g. on Peirce’s > formula). Negri [42] shows how to add a loop-checking > mechanism to ensure termination. The effect on complexity > isn’t yet clear; but the loop-checking is expensive. > > Intuitionistic Decision Procedures since Gentzen > The Jägerfest - 2013 > https://apt13.unibe.ch/slides/Dyckhoff.pdf > > Bye >