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From: "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
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Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 14:28:01 +0200
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Op 13.jul.2024 om 14:15 schreef olcott:
> On 7/13/2024 2:48 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-07-12 13:07:13 +0000, olcott said:
>>
>>> On 7/12/2024 2:49 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-11 14:40:50 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a hierarchy of prerequisites of knowledge.
>>>>> Before anyone can understand a simulating termination
>>>>> analyzer based on an x86 emulator they must understand
>>>>> (1) x86 emulation
>>>>> (2) Termination Analysis.
>>>>
>>>> The order should be:
>>>> (1) termination analysis and termination analyzer,
>>>> (2) simulating termination analyzer,
>>>> (3) x86,
>>>> (4) x86 emulation,
>>>> (5) simulating termination analyzer based on an x86 emulator.
>>>>
>>>
>>> *That order has proven to not work*
>>> People are getting stuck on x86 emulation.
>>
>> In that case it is likely that no order that contains x86 emulation at
>> any point will not work.
>>
> 
> The issue with this is that people believe that they
> can disagree with the x86 language. That is the same
> as disagreeing with arithmetic, not allowed.
> 

The real issue is that olcott thinks he can change the semantics of the 
x86 language at will. He thinks that the behaviour of a program does not 
change if it is halted halfway its execution. Therefore, he does not 
understand that when the simulation of a halting program is aborted 
before it reaches its end, it is still a correct simulation according to 
the semantics of the x86 language.