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Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is Correctly rejected as non-halting V2 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 08:34:55 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <v6tvpv$3imib$14@dont-email.me> References: <v6rg65$32o1o$3@dont-email.me> <97e0632d0d889d141bdc6005ce6e513c53867798@i2pn2.org> <v6sdlu$382g0$1@dont-email.me> <v6td3a$3ge79$1@dont-email.me> <v6tp1j$3imib$2@dont-email.me> <v6trdu$3irhh$1@dont-email.me> <v6tu01$3imib$11@dont-email.me> <a177dd76613794d6bb877c65ffe6c587a8f31bc1@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 15:34:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="52398669a80ff5113c36343403a598c9"; logging-data="3758667"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/EM9+vvFI8ZCiiniqZE4Ay" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:EMgUz/Eq2KRbfAHjqhD9Zi/noF8= In-Reply-To: <a177dd76613794d6bb877c65ffe6c587a8f31bc1@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US On 7/13/2024 8:24 AM, joes wrote: > Am Sat, 13 Jul 2024 08:04:01 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/13/2024 7:20 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 13.jul.2024 om 13:39 schreef olcott: >>>> On 7/13/2024 3:15 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>> Op 13.jul.2024 om 01:19 schreef olcott: >>>>>> On 7/12/2024 5:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 7/12/24 10:56 AM, olcott wrote: > >>> You have a wrong understanding of the semantics of the x86 language. >>> You think that the x86 language specifies that skipping instructions do >>> not change the behaviour of a program. > Do you understand that a simulator that aborts does not run forever? > >> As soon as the decider correctly determines that itself would never halt >> unless is aborts the simulation of its input the decider is required to >> abort this simulation. > Which decider is aborting here, the simulated or the outer one? > A decider always halts, so it cannot find itself non-halting. > The executed decider is always correct to abort the simulation of any damn thing that would cause itself to never halt. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer