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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Approximately 300,000 km/s With Respect To What? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 13:19:42 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 33 Message-ID: <v708nu$3mln$1@dont-email.me> References: <v6pdg9$2k01g$1@dont-email.me> <v6qssk$2vb8b$1@dont-email.me> <lfer0bF3dlmU1@mid.individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 12:19:43 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9763d53a2031ae1236b7e553679983b8"; logging-data="121527"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Op+fOSHbnb6XjQSN94NdF" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:hKWr6tWkwE3PKZpU/KT3Cqsv68I= Bytes: 2046 On 2024-07-13 08:08:44 +0000, Thomas Heger said: > Am Freitag000012, 12.07.2024 um 11:26 schrieb Mikko: >> On 2024-07-11 19:58:02 +0000, amirjf nin said: >> >>> Approximately 300,000 km/s with respect to what? >> >> Whenever the speec of something is measured it is measured with respect >> to someting else. The report should make clear what is the reference that >> is considered stationary. Usually it is the instruments used in the >> measurement, and usually but not always they are at rest with restpect to >> Earth surface at the place of the measurement. >> > > 'Stationary' can be understood as 'not moving' and that as 'having > velocity zero'. Yes, that is what the word means. > But velocity would require a reference point, in respect to which the > object does not move. That gives you a revefernce point: the object does not move in respect to itself. > But what was actually Einstein's reference, in respect to which > velocity v was measured. Einstein did not measure velocity v. -- Mikko