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Path: ...!news.nobody.at!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Who here understands that the last paragraph is Necessarily true? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:41:24 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <v725p4$hlvg$2@dont-email.me> References: <v6un9t$3nufp$1@dont-email.me> <v7013v$2ccv$1@dont-email.me> <v70nt7$61d8$6@dont-email.me> <58fc6559638120b31e128fe97b5e955248afe218@i2pn2.org> <v71mjh$bp3i$1@dont-email.me> <1173a460ee95e0ca82c08abecdefc80ba86646ac@i2pn2.org> <v71okl$bvm2$1@dont-email.me> <5f6daf68f1b4ffac854d239282bc811b5b806659@i2pn2.org> <v71ttb$crk4$1@dont-email.me> <60e7a93cb8cec0afb68b3e40a0e82e9d63fa8e2a@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 05:41:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="13997779445f04dacae82f025877e637"; logging-data="579568"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/sxd0BAglBphyN97NKuBeR" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:rmC6mgKqIC/2BYOh4xwp1fTeHJ4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <60e7a93cb8cec0afb68b3e40a0e82e9d63fa8e2a@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 2520 On 7/14/2024 9:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 7/14/24 9:27 PM, olcott wrote: >> >> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination >> of simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies >> non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted. > > Excpet, as I have shown, it doesn't. > > Your problem is you keep on ILEGALLY changing the input in your argument > because you have misdefined what the input is. > > The input to HHH is ALL of the memory that it would be accessed in a > correct simulation of DDD, which includes all the codd of HHH, and thus, > if you change HHH you get a different input. > > If you want to try to claim the input is just the bytes of the function > DDD proper then you are just admitting that you are nothing more than a > lying idiot that doesn't understand the problem, Turing machines only operate on finite strings they do not operate on other Turing machines *dumbo* -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer