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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:15:02 +0300
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On 2024-07-14 14:15:45 +0000, olcott said:

> On 7/14/2024 2:43 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-07-13 12:07:18 +0000, olcott said:
>> 
>>> On 7/13/2024 2:48 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-12 13:07:13 +0000, olcott said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/12/2024 2:49 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-07-11 14:40:50 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is a hierarchy of prerequisites of knowledge.
>>>>>>> Before anyone can understand a simulating termination
>>>>>>> analyzer based on an x86 emulator they must understand
>>>>>>> (1) x86 emulation
>>>>>>> (2) Termination Analysis.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The order should be:
>>>>>> (1) termination analysis and termination analyzer,
>>>>>> (2) simulating termination analyzer,
>>>>>> (3) x86,
>>>>>> (4) x86 emulation,
>>>>>> (5) simulating termination analyzer based on an x86 emulator.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *That order has proven to not work*
>>>>> People are getting stuck on x86 emulation.
>>>> 
>>>> In that case it is likely that no order that contains x86 emulation at
>>>> any point will not work.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I explained x86 emulation in terms of a C language interpreter
>>> and the one detail of the x86 language that must be understood
>>> (the function calling convention) so that C programmers can
>>> understand the first half of my paper.
>>> 
>>> Simulating Termination Analyzer H is Not Fooled by Pathological Input D
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369971402_Simulating_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> All of the rebuttals of my work remain anchored in disagreeing
>>> with the x86 language, they have no other basis.
>> 
>> The main error in your atricle is lack of proofs (i.e., sequences of
>> sentences that are either presented as assumtions or derived from
>> earlier sentences in the proof with truth preserving transformations).
>> In addtion, many of the defects already pointed out are still there.
>> 
> 
> *You can comprehend this is a truism or fail to*
> *comprehend it disagreement is necessarily incorrect*
> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non
> termination of HHH necessarily specifies non-halting
> behavior or it would never need to be aborted.

No, it is false. What the input specifies is a property of the input alone.
Whether some HHH is able to process it without looping forever is not a
property of the input and not relevant to the meaning of the input.

-- 
Mikko