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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Who here understands that the last paragraph is Necessarily true? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 07:48:45 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: <v735rd$mjis$7@dont-email.me> References: <v6un9t$3nufp$1@dont-email.me> <v7013v$2ccv$1@dont-email.me> <v70nt7$61d8$6@dont-email.me> <58fc6559638120b31e128fe97b5e955248afe218@i2pn2.org> <v71mjh$bp3i$1@dont-email.me> <1173a460ee95e0ca82c08abecdefc80ba86646ac@i2pn2.org> <v71okl$bvm2$1@dont-email.me> <5f6daf68f1b4ffac854d239282bc811b5b806659@i2pn2.org> <v71ttb$crk4$1@dont-email.me> <60e7a93cb8cec0afb68b3e40a0e82e9d63fa8e2a@i2pn2.org> <v721po$h4kr$1@dont-email.me> <92d6807062107c6ec03f1a4166ff049cf0bd4a53@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:48:46 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="13997779445f04dacae82f025877e637"; logging-data="740956"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18PZq/ITibrZXHdGq2xl1ye" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:S6sBKKerKjsFFv7wBtLWSNzcZPU= In-Reply-To: <92d6807062107c6ec03f1a4166ff049cf0bd4a53@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3259 On 7/15/2024 6:09 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 7/14/24 10:33 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 7/14/2024 9:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 7/14/24 9:27 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> >>>> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination >>>> of simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies >>>> non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted. >>> >>> Excpet, as I have shown, it doesn't. >>> >>> Your problem is you keep on ILEGALLY changing the input in your >>> argument because you have misdefined what the input is. >>> >> >> _DDD() >> [00002163] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >> [00002164] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >> [00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD >> [0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD) >> [00002170] 83c404 add esp,+04 >> [00002173] 5d pop ebp >> [00002174] c3 ret >> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174] >> >> The input *is* the machine address of this finite >> string of bytes: 558bec6863210000e853f4ffff83c4045dc3 >> > > Nope, the "input" needs to define everything that varies from one > question to another, Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination of simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted. The actual finite string of DDD correctly emulated by HHH according to the semantics of the x86 language does map to the behavior that DDD specifies and does not map to the behavior that you falsely assume. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer