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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH is correctly rejected as non-halting. --- You are not paying attention Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 08:32:27 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Message-ID: <v738db$mjis$14@dont-email.me> References: <v6m7si$1uq86$2@dont-email.me> <v6mhc7$20hbo$2@dont-email.me> <v6mito$bbr$1@news.muc.de> <v6mjlg$20sio$2@dont-email.me> <v6mlfj$bbr$2@news.muc.de> <v6mlk6$21d9q$1@dont-email.me> <v6nu2n$2bepp$1@dont-email.me> <v6op7v$2fuva$5@dont-email.me> <v6qoms$2ukg7$1@dont-email.me> <v6rat7$30qtt$8@dont-email.me> <v6repr$32501$2@dont-email.me> <v6tbpe$3gg4d$1@dont-email.me> <v6traj$3imib$7@dont-email.me> <v703f7$2ooi$2@dont-email.me> <v70of6$61d8$8@dont-email.me> <v72kp6$k3b1$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:32:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="13997779445f04dacae82f025877e637"; logging-data="740956"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/yWbPppvSsY5yaGv9YzpEO" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FO4QcQsUaH2aeRuhQHUVkao6RM4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v72kp6$k3b1$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2834 On 7/15/2024 2:57 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-07-14 14:48:05 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 7/14/2024 3:49 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-07-13 12:18:27 +0000, olcott said: >> >> When the source of your disagreement is your own ignorance >> then your disagreement has no actual basis. >> >> *You can comprehend this is a truism or fail to* >> *comprehend it disagreement is necessarily incorrect* >> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non >> termination of HHH necessarily specifies non-halting >> behavior or it would never need to be aborted. >> >> Disagreeing with the above is analogous to disagreeing >> with arithmetic. > > A lame analogy. A better one is: 2 + 3 = 5 is a proven theorem just > like the uncomputability of halting is. The uncomputability of halting is only proven when the problem is framed this way: HHH is required to report on the behavior of an input that was defined to do exactly the opposite of whatever DDD reports. When HHH is defined such that an input that was defined to do the opposite of whatever HHH reports can never reach this point in its execution trace then the prior halting problem proof has been defeated. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer