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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: noise question Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 03:29:19 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <v74pef$13ogc$1@dont-email.me> References: <82ca9jl6d27llb1m5gagmlteop59p3cc0a@4ax.com> <v73fem$o96t$1@dont-email.me> <4aha9j9es0d8bhvforetas77fiatfr8f5q@4ax.com> <v73mda$pp21$1@dont-email.me> <puoa9jdibsc7nqsfpjk5s0m8c427c0gjca@4ax.com> <v74c1d$kdm1$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 05:29:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0211c681b1d9c6b542488caef0385a64"; logging-data="1171980"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Xh4tAc2AuI8+14nSd209I" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:EftpyknEdfQkzGAuG/d0ggMMqUI= sha1:0E38Dw98mWmBpKsXIDL/T2yCDP0= Bytes: 2392 Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote: > Am 15.07.24 um 20:04 schrieb john larkin: >> On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 19:33:52 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: >> >>> On 7/15/24 18:09, john larkin wrote: >>>> On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 17:35:08 +0200, Jeroen Belleman >>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 7/15/24 16:30, john larkin wrote: <sniiip> > If you want nonlinear noise, you need Keysight's Advanced Design System > or such. Be prepared to a 5 or 6 digit price tag, depending on options. > The keyword is harmonic balance simulator. > > Nah. The LTspice noise() and white() functions give you time-domain noise, with uniform or Gaussian amplitude statistics, and are good enough for many things. If you want separate voltage and current noise contributions, you can use a voltage controlled current source. To keep the complexity down, you need to do a little analysis to figure out what the dominant noise sources are going to be, so that you can just model those. Cheers Phil Hobbs > > > -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics