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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Brain body size evolution Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:40:13 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v75pnf$19329$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="14266"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:HUHO9RGHbTBSHFrjiGMjNUStZBY= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 539B3229782; Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:40:05 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342DB229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:40:03 -0400 (EDT) id 254687D130; Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0193B7D11E for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:40:18 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 264C65F766 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/264C65F766; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id A2FCADC01A9; Tue, 16 Jul 2024 14:40:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 14:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18UdBPwZ13q2ZVlY7iZYm9a3exLG+2ZRuo= FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 3960 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/07/240708101004.htm https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-024-02451-3 The Nature article is open access. The authors claim that they have developed a model for the relationship between brain and body weight for mammals and the evolutionary trajectory for different lineages. With this model they can identify lineages that do not conform to the usual brain size evolution relationship to body weight. As pretty much every other study has indicated humans have evolved bigger brains for their body weight and primates have a higher rate of brain size increase. Some lineages have lower brain size to body weight than expected. As you might expect these are the largest mammals. They speculate that brains take a lot of energy to maintain, and that there is likely selection against larger brains at some point in body size increase. Population sizes for large mammals have to be smaller because it takes more food to maintain individuals. The estimate that I have seen is that it takes 80% of our energy production to run our brains. If you have smaller brains you could maintain larger populations. Hunter gatherer populations were probably restricted by our brain's energy needs. With the poorer agricultural diet our brains actually decreased in size as our population increased. We could maintain much larger populations on the same amount of territory, but it wasn't a diet amenable to supporting large brains. Ron Okimoto