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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Who here understands that the last paragraph is Necessarily true? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:41:47 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 49 Message-ID: <v75tar$19j7l$2@dont-email.me> References: <v6un9t$3nufp$1@dont-email.me> <v7013v$2ccv$1@dont-email.me> <v70nt7$61d8$6@dont-email.me> <58fc6559638120b31e128fe97b5e955248afe218@i2pn2.org> <v71mjh$bp3i$1@dont-email.me> <1173a460ee95e0ca82c08abecdefc80ba86646ac@i2pn2.org> <v71okl$bvm2$1@dont-email.me> <5f6daf68f1b4ffac854d239282bc811b5b806659@i2pn2.org> <v71ttb$crk4$1@dont-email.me> <60e7a93cb8cec0afb68b3e40a0e82e9d63fa8e2a@i2pn2.org> <v721po$h4kr$1@dont-email.me> <v73td3$qkp2$6@dont-email.me> <v73tvs$qpi9$1@dont-email.me> <v757fl$15lqv$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:41:47 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="37be9b12bf7e2996d459c5c7ef9a1f9b"; logging-data="1363189"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+11G9ObfVoOqd89v8q8g8a" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:cMB7ojpBsGkvhLri/hrBLIilkjU= In-Reply-To: <v757fl$15lqv$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3571 On 7/16/2024 2:28 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 15.jul.2024 om 21:40 schreef olcott: >> On 7/15/2024 2:30 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 15.jul.2024 om 04:33 schreef olcott: >>>> On 7/14/2024 9:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 7/14/24 9:27 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination >>>>>> of simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies >>>>>> non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted. >>>>> >>>>> Excpet, as I have shown, it doesn't. >>>>> >>>>> Your problem is you keep on ILEGALLY changing the input in your >>>>> argument because you have misdefined what the input is. >>>>> >>>> >>>> _DDD() >>>> [00002163] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002164] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD >>>> [0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>> [00002170] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>>> [00002173] 5d pop ebp >>>> [00002174] c3 ret >>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174] >>>> >>>> The input *is* the machine address of this finite >>>> string of bytes: 558bec6863210000e853f4ffff83c4045dc3 >>>> >>> >>> It seems that you do not understand x86 language. The input is not a >>> string of bytes, but an address (00002163). This points to the >>> starting of the code of DDD. But a simulation needs a program, not a >>> function calling undefined other functions. Therefore, all functions >>> called by DDD (such as HHH) are included in the code to simulate. >> >> *The input is the machine address of this finite* >> *string of bytes: 558bec6863210000e853f4ffff83c4045dc3* > > It seems that olcott does not understand the x86 language. > The input for HHH is an address, not a finite string. This is such a terribly incorrect reply that I am ignoring it. Try again -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer